New trial opens the spotlight on the darkest parts of America's experiments with torture

Your "negative to positive ratio" is currently registering a reading of infinity. So your words ring hollow.

 

It's hilarious how the beta intern keeps begging people to leave the thread when they expose him.

 

Yeah, this is bad and should stop. It just helps the forces of evil on the other side.

 

Just when I thought it's impossible to find crazier than you, I was wrong,
you are an amateur in comparison to these CIA interrogation officers.

 

That first sentence applies to all threads in D&D, I think. Its rare to see a positive story here, regardless of the affiliation of the poster. Its not as interesting to "debate and discuss" the good things.

 

24 was a fictional tv show.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment

Transparency and Open Government

Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.

...



This memorandum shall be published in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA

 

No, that's not why.

That's the leftist narrative that tries to create the impression that everything evil done against the USA is "just a reaction" to the USA's (or Israel's, or the Mossad's) wrongdoing.

That narrative is at the same time unfair to the Taliban and the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan - because it treats them as mere Pavlov's dogs who couldn't even be evil based on their own initiative and thinking, but only as a reaction to the USA (or Israel, or the Mossad) and to the USA - because the truth is, some ideologies do not care about whatever the USA do - they can instill hate just by themselves.

 

Certainly it is very sad that innocent people suffer. The flipside of the coin is that the Taliban could not exist without significant support from the general population. Many people in the general population and the Taliban are tied together through jointly held beliefs and ideology - connected tissue.

I don't believe in the "mass abuses" narrative. I have friends who served there, and they certainly deny any such systematic alleged "mass abuse". You should be more careful with such accusations. Individual transgressions? Maybe. "Mass abuses"? No. Another data point: The Taliban also came back strong in Helmand, where the American forces were not in charge, but the German Bundeswehr, and where no such accusations of alleged mass abuse by German soldiers exist. If your theory was true that the Taliban's resurgence is just due to alleged "mass abuses", then why would they come back just as strong in areas where the American soldiers weren't even in charge?

 

Did you even read the links you quickly googled yourself? Why are you pretending that all this alleged torture is being done by Americans?

It sounds more like an overall much lower standard of human rights in that country, not only (obviously) on the side of the Taliban, but also on the side of their opponents.

You should rather ask yourself the question if that is only caused by "cultural" or "socio-economic" causes or also by the religious ideology 99 % of people follow there.