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Nene to re-sign

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Amel, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. pippendagimp

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    i was thinking precisely about the tampering for the past week. if silver voids nene's contract now, the bias is clear as can be for at some of the media (not bspn for sure) to comment
     
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  2. BimaThug

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    I have a theory about what may actually be going on right now with Nene's contract. Again, this is JUST A THEORY. I have no inside knowledge.

    Art. VII, Sec. 3(d)(2) of the CBA includes a process by which either the league or the NBPA can challenge the incentive compensation in a player's contract. While (I think) the intent was for the league's challenge to relate primarily to whether an incentive listed as "Unlikely" might actually be "Likely" for salary cap purposes, the CBA language is murky enough to give the league broader rights to challenge.

    A jointly-selected "expert" is appointed to make a determination about certain incentives. The expert must conduct a hearing within 5 business days after initiation of the proceeding (although there is no set deadline to initiate the proceeding!) and then must render a determination within 5 business days after the hearing.

    It may just be that the league office is investigating the Nene contract under the general auspices of its power to prevent circumvention of the CBA. Those powers are vaguely broad, so there's no telling exactly what the timing of any such process would be. But if you were looking for a (more) definitive process under the CBA that could partially explain the hold-up, this MIGHT be it.
     
  3. smoothie_king

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    Nene job is to basically warm the bench for capeala to keep capeala fresh for alley oops in the regular season.
     
  4. J.R.

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    https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/09/contract-bonus-notes-nene-kcp-randle-jones.html

    Veteran big man Nene officially signed his new contract with the Rockets back on September 6, but the NBA has yet to formally approve the deal, writes ESPN’s Bobby Marks. Sources tell Marks that the league has been discussing internally whether it should disapprove of the incentives in the agreement, which create a $10MM trade chip despite the fact that Nene will likely only be paid about $2.56MM.

    The NBA has the right to challenge deals that it believes violate the spirit of rules in the Collective Bargaining Agreement, even if those deals are technically legal based on what’s written in the CBA. While it seems unlikely that Nene’s deal would be nixed, it wouldn’t be surprising if the league looked to adjust the rules related to bonuses and incentives in the future to prevent teams from manipulating a player’s cap hit to such a significant extent.

    http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider...nba-bonus-watch-supermaxes-incentives-2019-20

    Nene Hilario | Houston Rockets

    Although Nene signed with the Houston Rockets on Sept. 6, the NBA has yet to officially approve the deal. The 10-day delay is a result of the NBA discussing internally if it should disapprove details in the contract, according to multiple sources. Despite the contract technically falling within the limits of the collective bargaining agreement, the NBA is allowed to interpret the agreement as a violation of the spirit of the rules.

    Here's why: Nene's contract includes $7.4 million in bonuses that have been deemed likely for cap purposes, the largest amount in NBA history. However, it's extremely unlikely he hits that criteria this season, at least with the Rockets.

    Nene was signed as a trade chip. Houston offered a two-year, $20 million contract structured in two phases: $2.56 million of guaranteed base compensation and $7.44 million in these bonuses:

    $2.4 million for playing at least 10 games and the team winning at least 52 games
    $2.5 million for playing at least 25 games and the team winning at least 52 games
    $2.5 million for playing at least 40 games and the team winning at least 52 games

    Those games played stipulations are key. Because Nene played in 42 games in 2018-19 and the Rockets won 53 games, the bonuses are considered likely and they're allowed to reach this $7 million price. If the bonuses were deemed unlikely, they would be capped at 15% of the Nene's base salary.

    Starting on Jan. 15, Nene's full $10 million cap hit can be used as outgoing salary in a trade, while his contract would count as $2.56 million in incoming salary -- if the team trading for him did not win 52 games during the 2018-19 season and Nene hadn't met any of the games played criteria.

    Here's an example of how Houston could take advantage: The Rockets could sign free agent Iman Shumpert to a similar contract and package him with Nene, creating enough matching salary to acquire the Memphis Grizzlies' Andre Iguodala (or a different player whose salary falls within 125% of $20 million).

    Because only $4.9 million for both players is guaranteed -- and not the $15 million in bonuses -- the receiving team would gain significant savings, with Houston likely throwing in a draft asset to complete the deal. The Rockets still have first-rounders in 2020 and 2022 as well as second-rounders in 2021 and 2023 available to move.

    Even with these bonuses officially deemed likely, the NBA could determine that the contract is comparable to a player with a $2.6 million guaranteed deal, so only the $2.6 million should count as outgoing salary. But there's currently no clear path to make that justification, at least according to the CBA.

    The Lakers did something similar when they signed Yi Jianlian in 2016, but he was waived before the season started.
     
  5. Deuce

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    *F your spirit of the rules.* The *cap spike* that allowed KD to the Warriors wasn't in the spirit of the rules either.

    Move along, NBA.
     
  6. amaru

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    The longer the contract takes to get approved the more likely it is to be rejected. LOL I'm not expected Daryl to get a break on this one.
     
  7. chenjy9

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    Honestly, it's pretty hard to challenge Likely to Unlikely bonuses from a logic perspective IMO. They are probably (in my hopefully not too optimistic view) reviewing it to see how they can patch it in the next CBA.
     
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    Total BS. Morey finds a loophole, he's the one that's punished.
     
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    Summary: Nene's bonuses are against the "spirit" of the CBA, but a 73-win team adding an MVP due to an unprecedented and never-to-be-repeated cap spike is not. What a clown show.
     
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    Correct.

    And you know if the Lakers/Warriors/Knicks/media darlings found a way to do a contract like this, no way the NBA cancels the move.
     
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    This is utter BS. Can this be appealed in court?
     
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    Did union president Chris Paul have anything to do with the rejection?
     
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    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan
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    This is exactly what I was thinking! Why is it the NBA always stops just the Rockets from making deals? #BasketballReasons
     
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  19. jacoby

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    So why don't the Rockets instead adjust his salary to a flat $10m so they can trade him anyway? Weren't those bonuses likely?
     
  20. motleydeflep6

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    Likely if he stayed with us, yes. If he went to another team like let’s say Memphis they were slim and he wouldn’t have been paid that much.
     
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