Muslims groom and rape over 1400 underage girls in Rotherham, England

Question

What does the following of Islam have to do with it? Why not call them Pakistanians instead of Muslims?

It's like saying " Christians are killing and raping hundreds of thousands in the USA " or something instead of just say Americans are doing so. But i'm not aware of the customs at all, is it normal to call all people from the middle east Muslims? And to tie the religion into what the people are doing?

 

I read the NY Times article twice and there is no mention that these folks are Muslim.

 

Since those folks are from Pakistan, you assume that they are followers of Confucianism?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...failing-moral-leadership-says-LORD-AHMED.html

What links UK jihadis and Rotherham sex abusers? Mosques failing to give them moral leadership says LORD AHMED

As a proud Muslim and proud Rotherham lad, who came here from Kashmir in Pakistan with my parents aged 11, I was shocked by the disclosure of appalling sexual abuse of young girls in the town.
All of us in Rotherham – parents, police, councillors and politicians – must ask ourselves how we came to fail our young people so badly.
It comes hard on the heels of the realisation that hundreds of young British Muslims have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight for Islamic State (IS) and one may have been involved in beheading US journalist James Foley.
On the face of it, there is no obvious connection between the two. But I believe if we are to prevent a repeat of these disturbing events, the British-Pakistani community must confront some uncomfortable truths.
One of the most important of these is that most of Britain’s 1,400 mosques – which traditionally provide moral leadership and guidance to Muslim communities – are incapable of performing such a role in 21st Century Britain.
Some mosques try hard to help young Muslims deal with the pressures and are respected and revered. But others fail dismally and, in my view, this has been a major contributory factor to the problems we face with young British-Pakistani adolescents.
Many mosques have no idea how to lead or guide young men struggling to come to terms with being a Muslim in a modern country. These men need help with issues such as sex education, teenage pregnancy, drink and drugs – all the things other young people have to cope with. But they are taboo in most mosques. If a British-Pakistani boy tried to talk to an imam about it, he would look at him blankly.
Many mosques are dangerously cut off from the rest of society, rooted in the ancient world, not the modern one. This approach is reflected by the way imams behave. Many rarely mix with other faiths, which is wrong. They should be encouraged to visit other places of worship to break down barriers between faiths and learn how others tackle these problems.
This inward-looking view is mirrored by the proliferation of satellite TV stations, on which rival British-based Sunni and Shia imams attack each other.

They get big audiences, with some Muslim families in Britain never watching the BBC or Sky, increasing the sense of alienation from the community. I have expressed concern at the way some of these stations receive funding in the UK under the guise of charitable donations.
But, as with other sensitive issues concerning Islam in Britain, the authorities do not want to know. Political leaders pay lip service to the Muslim community, turning up at religious events, usually when in need of votes. They should go to mosques and look closer at what is going on.
But it would be wrong to lay all the blame with imams. The heart of the problem lies in the way mosques are run – and who runs them. Mosques are much more than a place of worship: they are about money and power, too. Most are wealthy and, unsurprisingly, the people with their hands on the purse strings wield much influence – meaning they have become power bases.
Mosques are run by what are known in Muslim communities as tribal elders. No qualification is needed to become one – it often has more to do with age or family connections than wisdom.
Sometimes elders appoint themselves and, once there, it is impossible to remove them, no matter how badly they perform.

Some do not speak English or cannot read or write. Some have never had a job in Britain or ever held the most junior position in public life.
So is it any wonder people with such an antiquated view have no idea how to relate to a young British-Pakistani boy whose non-Muslim mates go to discos, go out with girls and drink?
Even if an imam wanted to discuss these matters, they could not do so for one simple reason: the elders would refuse to pay them and they would be sacked.
The elders are oblivious to the fact that growing up in a town such as Rotherham is more complicated than in a remote village in the mountains of Pakistan.

But mosques will never be reformed until there are drastic changes to the way they are run.
Typically, small groups of people in towns like Rotherham – often from the same village or area of Pakistan – raise the money for a mosque and run it.
There is no formal structure, no transparency, no financial accountability, no elections, nor are they accountable to any form of body.
I cannot think of any other organisation in this country with such influence and vast resources that is allowed to operate with such little scrutiny. This is not acceptable.
Another uncomfortable truth for the British-Pakistani community is the way it responds to the malign influence of so-called radical Muslim clerics in the UK, such as Anjem Choudary.
He said the beheading of James Foley was justified under sharia law, has defended the September 11 attacks in New York and one of the killers of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich. Decent law-abiding British Muslims are appalled by his antics. Most think he should be locked up. Imams should take the lead in condemning people like him and make it clear that we don’t want people like that in our country, influencing impressionable young people.

This brings me back to my argument that, although worlds apart, the British Muslims in the Rotherham sex abuse scandal and those fighting for IS have a common factor: you can be sure that they regularly went to their local mosque.
Clearly, no responsible Muslim would claim the actions of either were anything other than a betrayal of their faith – as well as being illegal. But, in my opinion, it is equally clear that mosques are not doing enough to provide strong moral leadership to young British Muslims.
Nobody would suggest that the answer to all these problems can be found by changing the way mosques are run. But given their hugely important role, they are a good place to start.
This issue must be addressed now and not swept under the carpet, as I fear it will be by many mosques.

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Oh, and for Kojirou, since he doesn't like the Daily Mail:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogersc...ing-rotherham-children-political-correctness/

Why Did British Police Ignore Pakistani Muslim Gangs Abusing 1,400 Rotherham Children? Political Correctness

A story of rampant child abuse—ignored and abetted by the police—is emerging out of the British town of Rotherham. Until now, its scale and scope would be inconceivable in a civilized country. Its details will make your hair stand on end.

Imagine the following case. A fourteen-year old girl is taken into care by the social services unit of the town where she lives, because her parents are drug-addicted, and she has been neglected and is not turning up in school. She is one of many, for that is the way in Britain today. And local government entities—Councils—can be ordered by the courts to stand in for parents of neglected children. The Council places the girl in a home, where she is kept with others under supervision from the social services department. The home is regularly visited by young men who try to entice the girls into their cars, so as to give them drugs and alcohol, and then coerce them into sex.

The girl, who is lonely and uncared for, meets a man outside the home, who promises a trip to the cinema and a party with children of her age. She falls into the trap. After she has been raped by a group of five men she is told that, if she says a word to anyone, she will be taken from the home and beaten. When, after the episode is repeated, she threatens to go to the police, she is taken into the countryside, doused in petrol, and told that she is going to be set alight, unless she promises to tell no one of ordeal.

Social workers tell girls they cannot help them

Meanwhile she must accept weekly abuse, in return for drugs and alcohol. Soon she finds herself being taken to other towns in the area, and hired out for sexual purposes to other men. She is distraught and depressed, and at the point when she can stand it no longer, she goes to the police. She can only stutter a few words, and cannot bring herself to accuse anyone in particular. Her complaint is dismissed on the grounds that any sex involved must have been consensual. The social worker in charge of her case listens to her complaint, but tells her that she cannot act unless the girl identifies her abusers. But when the girl describes them the social worker switches off with a shrug and says that she can do nothing. Her father, his drug habit notwithstanding, has tried to keep contact with his daughter and suspects what is happening. But when he goes to the police, he is arrested for obstruction and charged with wasting police time.

Over the two years of her ordeal the girl makes several attempts on her own life, and eventually ends up abandoned and homeless, without an education and with no prospect of a normal life.

Impossible, you will say, that such a thing could happen in Britain. In fact it is only one of over 1,400 cases, all arising during the course of the last fifteen years in the South Yorkshire town of Rotherham, all involving vulnerable girls either in Council care or inadequately protected by their families from gangs of sexual predators. Almost no arrests have been made, no social workers or police officers have been reprimanded, and until recently the matter was dismissed by all those responsible as a matter of no real significance. Increasing public awareness of the problem, however, led to complaints, triggering a series of official reports. The latest report, from Professor Alexis Jay, former chief inspector of social work in Scotland, gives the truth for the first time, in 153 disturbing pages. One fact stands out above all the horrors detailed in the document, which is that the girl victims were white, and their abusers Pakistani.

Sociologists convinced government that the police are racist

Fifteen years ago, when these crimes were just beginning, the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry into the conduct of the British police was made by Sir William Macpherson a High Court judge. The immediate occasion had been a murder in which the victim was black, the perpetrators white, and the behaviour of the investigating police lax and possibly prejudiced. The report accused the police – not just those involved in the case, but the entire police force of the country – of ‘institutionalised racism’. This piece of sociological newspeak was, at the time, very popular with leftist sociologists. For it made an accusation which could not be refuted by anyone who had the misfortune to be accused of it.

However well you behaved, however scrupulously you treated people of different races and without regard to their ethnic identity or the colour of their skin, you would be guilt of ‘institutionalised racism’, simply on account of the institution to which you belonged and on behalf of which you were acting. Not surprisingly, sociologists and social workers, the vast majority of whom are professionally disposed to believe that middle class society is incurably racist, latched on to the expression. MacPherson too climbed onto the bandwagon since, at the time, it was the easiest and safest way to wash your hands in public, to say that I, at least, am not guilty of the only crime that is universally recognised and everywhere in evidence.

Police more concerned with political correctness than crime

The result of this has been that police forces lean over backwards to avoid the accusation of racism, while social workers will hesitate to intervene in any case in which they could be accused of discriminating against ethnic minorities. Matters are made worse by the rise of militant Islam, which has added to the old crime of racism the new crime of ‘Islamophobia’. No social worker today will risk being accused of this crime. In Rotherham a social worker would be mad, and a police officer barely less so, to set out to investigate cases of suspected sexual abuse, when the perpetrators are Asian Muslims and the victims ethnically English. Best to sweep it under the carpet, find ways of accusing the victims or their parents or the surrounding culture of institutionalised racism, and attending to more urgent matters such as the housing needs of recent immigrants, or the traffic offences committed by those racist middle classes.

Americans too are familiar with this syndrome. Political correctness among sociologists comes from socialist convictions and the tired old theories that produce them. But among ordinary people it comes from fear. The people of Rotherham know that it is unsafe for a girl to take a taxi-ride from someone with Asian features; they know that Pakistani Muslims often do not treat white girls with the respect that they treat girls from their own community. They know, and have known over fifteen years, that there are gangs of predators on the look-out for vulnerable girls, and that the gangs are for the most part Asian young men who see English society not as the community to which they belong, but as a sexual hunting ground. But they dare not express this knowledge, in either words or deed. Still less do they dare to do so if their job is that of social worker or police officer. Let slip the mere hint that Pakistani Muslims are more likely than indigenous Englishmen to commit sexual crimes and you will be branded as a racist and an Islamophobe, to be ostracised in the workplace and put henceforth under observation.

No one will be fired

This would matter less if fear had no consequences. Unfortunately Political Correctness causes people not merely to disguise their beliefs but to refuse to act on them, to accuse others who confess to them, and in general to go along with policies that have been forced on the British people by minority groups of activists. The intention of the activists is to disrupt and dismantle the old forms of social order. They believe that our society is not just racist, but far too comfortable, far too unequal, far too bound up with fuddy-duddy old ways that are experienced by people at the bottom of society – the working classes, the immigrants, the homeless, the illegals – as oppressive and demeaning. They enthusiastically propagate the doctrines of political correctness as a way of taking revenge on a social order from which they feel alienated.

Ordinary people are so intimidated by this that they repeat the doctrines, like religious mantras which they hope will keep them safe in hostile territory. Hence people in Britain have accepted without resistance the huge transformations that have been inflicted on them over the last thirty years, largely by activists working through the Labour Party. They have accepted immigration policies that have filled our cities with disaffected Muslims, many of whom have now gone to fight against us in Syria and Iraq. They have accepted the growth of Islamic schools in which children are taught to prepare themselves for jihad against the surrounding social order. They have accepted the constant denigration of their country, its institutions and its inherited religion, for the simple reason that these things are theirs and therefore tainted with forbidden loyalties.

And when the truth is expressed at last, nobody is fired, no arrests are made, and the elected Police and Communities Commissioner for Rotherham, although forced to resign from the Labour Party, refuses to resign from his job. After a few weeks all will have been swept under the carpet, and the work of destruction can resume.

 

absolutely ****ing disgusting

Britianistan

 

Predictably, the representative of Rotherham Muslims was outraged.

At the British police.

 

this thread was the first time I heard this group of criminals as muslims, the newspapers I've been reading here (in UK) only ever said they were Pakistani.

 

About 95-98% of Pakistanis are Muslims.

 

Seriously?

 

If you read the articles posted you'd understand no mention of the M-word for fear of being accused as racist and not politically correct. Giant bunch of wussies running Rotherham.

 

1400 children in a small community in the UK have been physically and sexually abused in a 20 year span by Pakistani men.

Liberal Response: Not concern that such a thing has happened and is happening, but instead being irate that the word "Muslim" isn't appropriate in the thread title.

Telling.... BTW, anyone with half a brain knows they are Muslim. Do all Muslims partake in underaged sex slavery, of course not, but 1400 sex slaves in a small town in the UK IS a big story.

 

Pakistan has a state religion, Islam and upwards of 98% of Pakistani's are Muslim. Further the area where this happened has a strong, close knit community.

Having been to Pakistan, not shocked that the attitude of viewing women as toilet paper has carried over across the pond.

 

Honestly, I don't understand why attacking an ideology is more frowned upon with some posters here than race. Race is genetically predisposed while religion isn't. Therefore, criticism of the ideology over the race is less "bigoted" as the former is a choice rather than genetic predisposition.

 

Incredibly racist and ignorant post here.

You act like the entire community was involved in this. The police should do their job and go after gangs of any racial or ethnic group. These gangs are a threat to all people, including the Pakistani communities. The leaders of the community should have been engaged in fighting against this. You are equating taking a mafia in Chicago and judging them as representing "christians" which is laughable and ridiculous.

 

It shouldn't be.

Also, in fairness the Pakistani community leaders and Muslim leaders (often one in the same in the Yorkshire area) have strongly condemned the exploitation of children. That is a step in the right direction.

 

How much do you want to bet that these Pakistani rape groups aren't secular?

 

Sometimes I wonder how much of this verbal "condemnation" is just to save face .

 

You are a tool.

I never said the entire community was involved in the exploitation. My post was in response to the idea that the guilty parties were not Muslim. The fact is a huge majority of Pakistani's are Muslim and the religion is a central part of the power structure of the Pakistani community in the UK.

If you find it "racist" I don't really care because you read whatever you want into what people say.