Perfectly calm He's a back up center with no offensive game. He can defend & block shots, but so can Dally. The difference is Dally has a little offense while Asik has none. It's a failure in every aspect. You get rid of both you're starting centers just so you can overpay a back up center with lesser offense. Feel free to provide justification for this It makes alot of sense why you wouldn't overpay a shotblocker with no offense. Especially given the fact you HAD two shotblockers before the offseason. If you're going to overpay then it shouldn't be for a backup. Why? Because you simply don't know what you're getting. It makes perfect sense LMAO. The word Troll is used for anybody here who doesn't have faith in Morey. It's used as a defense mechanism to discredit my points. Rocket river (who I mostly agree with) and a few other people have been called the same thing. It's cool. But the truth is there are alot of people who aren't happy with Morey. He just hasn't lived up to the hype clutchfans has awarded him. Can you give me 5 genius moves he's made?
I knew someone would point this out. I dont care about no damn marketing man!!! I'm a diehard basketball fan
Namely? Please don't say Fab Melo. There's no proof he can offer what Asik already offers. In fact our very own Jerome Jordan is just as 'raw', but is just as likely to offer what Asik does as Fab Melo (ie, not very likely)
1. Donte Green for Artest 2. Chandler Parsons 3. Budinger for the 18th Pick 4. Hasheem Thabeet/ Flynn for Camby 5. Trolling the Knicks so hard that it is still very funny 6. This year's draft and Donuts 7. TMac/Landry for Kevin Martin 8. Scola for a 2nd rounder 9. Lowry for the scrub Alston 10. Trading Ariza for CLee 11. Need I go on?
Trading Brooks, Brad Miller, Shane Battier's expiring contract and a 2nd rounder for Dragic, Motiejunas and Marcus Camby (who he then got two picks for instead of nothing), that was a pretty good one. Done Green, Bobby Jackson and Omri Casspi for Artest? That worked out fine. Getting Lee for Ariza. Getting Lowry for Rafer. Getting Scola for nothing. Finding Budinger, Parsons and Landry in the 2nd round. Look, acquiring superstars is pretty much the toughest thing do in this sport. It takes a lot more luck than skill. But most GMs are pretty terrible at building supporting casts, and Morey's shown that he's one of the best in the business at doing so.
The question is would you take a chance developing Fab Melo or Jerome Jordan for cheap or pay a guy 8 million who's still a question mark? The risk is higher with Asik because your overpaying him when you didn't need too.
Actually... So, what I was saying, is that anyone who is suggesting that Perkins has any form of offensive game has never seen the man play. In fact, the ppg averages suggest that he is, if anything, less offensively polished than the offensively deficient Asik. and then yes, you came ignorantly barreling through waiving some chuck numbers in the air as if they suggest I, at any point, suggested Perkins, Asik, or Chuck Hayes were not strong defenders. Side note: Omer Asik has the highest ceiling of all three. Regardless, I digress.
Scola was genius. Lowry was a good move. But other than that you sound like a Morey fanboy. You're reaching
You should use another example... Dally was well worth giving up because he netted jeremy lamb.. Who has way more potential and a more valuable asset to have. Developing melo? So you'd rather pass on jones? Melo and jordan are even bigger question marks, at least with Asik you already know you'll get good defense and a serviceable offense can come along with practice.
Once again, because obviously you still aren't getting it. The argument was initially Asik being worth if for D purposes. Dreamshake's point was that Perkins was a better defender AND had a better offensive game. Which led me to point out Chucks offense in regards to Perkins (or Asiks for that matter) and oh BTW I guess BECAUSE we can point out offensive futility that means Chuck can't play D. Ignorance is all on you bro. Sorry comprehension failed you.
As we have discussed in many threads here we did not overpay Asik. Asik is worth $8 mil a year on the open market. That's the value of a young center. On other hand I agree with the OP that we did overpay Lin. Now if Lin has a breakout season and sustains something like a 17/7 for a year and cuts down his TOs then the contract will be justified. If not we have overpaid. However, signing Lin was much more of a PR/business move than a basketball move IMHO.
The good weighs the bad? Lol. You're a fanboy. Joey Dorsey, Twill, handling of Rick Adelman and JVG departure, Hasheem Thabeet, Johnny Flynn. Genius?
ron artest is reaching??????????????? he led us to the second round kevin martin is reaching??????????? look at his stats with the rockets .. he averaged over 20 points a game for a guy that cant get off the bench!! oh we also got a first round pick from that landry and buddinger were nto finds... lets assume they were not .. he purchased buddinger and then flipped him for the 18th pick in the draft ... essentially he bought the 18th pick, how often does that happen? come on man dont just say they are reaches...explain why they are reaches?
You are not wrong. You are simply an ostrich genius I replied to this in another thread. They did a comparison of Lin's 25 starts with any other player who has had similar stats. Lin has 93% chance to be a good starting PG. 7% chance to be a flameout. Those are some metrics. Disputing the numbers is one thing. Yet you choose to pretend to not have heard any of this so you can feign shock and awe at Morey. Ergo ostrich genius. An ostrich genius is never wrong. Plus the fact that 1) there's no such thing as a minimum acceptable sample size of games. giving a contract to a guy who started 25 games is acceptable NBA protocol. giving a contract to a guy out of the draft who started 0 NBA games is a very common protocol. even giving a contract to a guy who has played 0 NBA games and less than a dozen NCAA games like Irving is acceptable NBA protocol. so offering a guy who started 25 games based on solid statistical or visual rationale for doing so isn't strange or unacceptable. Ostrich genius. 2) a guy who started 25 games can develop suddenly and a guy who has started 160 games can decline suddenly. team take players based on experience thinking they are mitigating risk when in fact they are taking on risk that is all backloaded. for example taking on an over the hill Barkley. the list here is too long. but one can be supplied. the more predictive correlation is AGE. good older players can be counted on to decline successively and good younger players can be counted on to continue developing. these are known variables in the NBA. Ostrich genius 3) Morey is smart applying leverage in negotiations. conducting "the process of the Lin signing" by offering a prorated deal 8/8/8 for yourself but 5/5/15 to your opponent, knowing an extreme luxury tax burden is by definition smart. Spreading out the cap burden mitigates risk and is by definition smart. you must know this, it has been said dozens of times here on clutch. Ostrich genius 4) Lin is a trade asset. His expiring in year 3 can be traded and he is an attractive trade both as a good young PG and as a marketing phenom. His value as a trade asset reduces his both his risk and his cost. Ostrich genius obviously I don't know Lin's ceiling. he could be anything from a solid starter to a star. but going all Ostrich genius and repeating the trope that he's this huge risk is wrong. as for Asik, obviously Morey got him as a backup as part of this plan to get Howard or Bynum. he needs someone who can come in and play good defense while Howard or Bynum sits. and more important who will be able to DEVELOP and flipped later. asking why "Morey didn't just draft a center" is because 1) there was no center as good Morey thought he could get in the draft 2) he thought he could get Asik and thus didn't need to waste a draft spot on someone who would be worse. It would be Ostrich genius to settle on a worse player if he thought he could get Asik and still go after Howard
