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Little Hands Trump Fires Acting Attorney General for refusing to enforce Unconstitutional EO.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. Mr.Scarface

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    Fire him!
     
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    Not a legitimate President
     
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    If this sticks, will you change your mind?
     
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    Her being fired is the right move if she refuses to do her job and it sounds like that was the case. People throw around the word "unconstitutional" quite a bit for propaganda purposes but so often it is misused. This is one of those instances.
     
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    Did you flunk American History? Religious freedom is fundamental to the founding of this nation. When you are banning muslims which is in effect what trump is doing I don't know how this can be considered anything but unconstitutional.
     
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    He did not consult the Justice Dept. with this EO. Many of career lawyers at Justice say that order is unconstitutional. The Justice Dept. is there for these type of situations.
     
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    Calling it a Muslim ban is nothing but propaganda, it's a travel ban from countries listed by the previous administration as "terrorist hotbeds" and people of all faiths are included in the temporary ban.

    You don't have to consult them to issue a travel ban and I'd like to see the case for it being unconstitutional rather than just the blanket accusation. I mean are you arguing that it's an overreach of power by the president? That's just about the only case I could see.....and it's not a strong one.
     
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    The break neck speed of Fascism in America. One week in and we're in Constitutional crisis territory.
     
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    Refusing to defend a case isn't refusing to do your job. The AG's office acts based on its interpretation of the law. It's designed to be an independent body.

    Ask yourself, were you ok with Nixon firing his AG because he appointed a special prosecutor? Hell would you have been ok with Clinton firing Janet Reno because she appointed Ken Starr. I'm guessing the answer to both of those is no.
     
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    When defending a case is your job, it is. It's okay though, it's not like they aren't easily replaceable.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

    Richardson appointed Cox in May of that year, after having given assurances to the House Judiciary Committee that he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the events surrounding the Watergate break-in of June 17, 1972. The appointment was created as a Career Reserved position in the Justice department, which meant (a) it came under the authority of the Attorney General, and (b) the incumbent could not be removed for any reason other than "for cause" (e.g. gross improprieties or malfeasance in office). Richardson had, in his confirmation hearings before the U.S. Senate, given the explicit promise not to use his authority to dismiss the Watergate Special Prosecutor, unless for cause.

    When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon, the President initially refused to comply. On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking the infamously hard-of-hearing Senator John C. Stennis of Mississippi to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

    However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.
     
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    How is the order unconstitutional?
     
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    It's not, but you know how propaganda goes.
     
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    She believed the media and thought it was a muslim ban.
     
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    Holy **** how did u pass basic poly Sci? Religious freedom applies to citizens. Also this isn't a Muslim ban. 90% of the world's Muslims are still allowed in. Obama banned visas to anyone who visited the same countries. Was that violating religious freedoms? Lolz
     

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