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Lillard better than Harden?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by digitallinh, May 9, 2016.

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Who gets us more wins?

  1. Harden

    69.1%
  2. Lillard

    30.9%
  1. digitallinh

    digitallinh Member

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    Harden has better numbers, but Lillard can lead a team...

    Who else thinks if we switched Lillard for Harden, Rockets would have a better record?

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  2. SamFisher

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    Win Shares

    1. Stephen Curry ▪ GSW 17.9
    2. Kevin Durant ▪ OKC 14.5
    3. Russell Westbrook ▪ OKC 14.0
    4. Kawhi Leonard ▪ SAS 13.7
    5. LeBron James ▪ CLE 13.6
    6. James Harden ▪ HOU 13.3
    7. Chris Paul ▪ LAC 12.7
    8. Kyle Lowry ▪ TOR 11.6
    9. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 11.5
    10. Draymond Green ▪ GSW 11.1
    11. Hassan Whiteside ▪ MIA 10.3
    12. LaMarcus Aldridge ▪ SAS 10.1
    13. Paul Millsap ▪ ATL 10.1
    14. Kemba Walker ▪ CHO 9.9
    15. DeMar DeRozan ▪ TOR 9.9
    16. Isaiah Thomas ▪ BOS 9.7
    17. Al Horford ▪ ATL 9.4
    18. Paul George ▪ IND 9.2
    19. Damian Lillard ▪ POR 9.2
    20. Jimmy Butler ▪ CHI 9.1
     
  3. digitallinh

    digitallinh Member

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    Does win shares account for leadership and the ability to motivate others to be better??

    Which is the point of my post, I know where the numbers are.
     
  4. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    Yes. Anyway, you asked:

    Your answer:


    Obviously you didn't know, you wouldn't have posted this poll had you known.
     
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  5. digitallinh

    digitallinh Member

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    So what's the answer? does win shares take into account leadership?

    And you don't think leadership contributes to wins?
     
  6. mac2yao

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    Leadership and motivation are in the eyes of the beholder. Did Harden lead and motivate last year?

    People want a better explanation for why the Blazers lost four starters and only dropped one playoff seed than "the players they acquired were still pretty decent and the Western Conference, after the top four seeds, dropped off a ton," so they go with a Lillard-is-a-master-motivator narrative.

    Some players probably are better leaders and motivators...a few may even be good enough at it for it to matter. But I don't think any of us have a clue who those players are, so I think the numbers mean a whole lot more.
     
  7. LCAhmed

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    LOL what? Isn't that the same question? And obviously Harden with the higher win shares is your answer for who would give us more wins.
     
  8. J Sizzle

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    Other than Harden's superiority in points, rebounds, assists, shooting percentage, efficiency, steals, blocks, PER, offensive rating, defensive rating, and win shares, sure...Lillard is totally better than Harden.
     
  9. digitallinh

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    No it's not actually....

    Player A with superior leadership skills would motivate Player B to play/practice harder..

    Which increases player Bs win shares instead of player A
     
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    I am generally very harsh on Harden, but Lillard isn't even close to Harden in terms of impact on the court.
     
  11. mac2yao

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    And how are you discovering these magical motivational skills? From an article in which Lillard thinks practice is cool?
     
  12. BigShasta

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    Bro Lillard? lmao C'mon now.
     
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    Lillard is a great player and if you want to say he has been better than Harden this season, then fine. At least that's the narrative.

    But please know that there is ABSOLUTELY NO REAL EVIDENCE which suggests Lillard is a better player. I mean none. zero. I know numbers and stats are not everything, but if you can't beat the other guy in even one category, that tells you something.

    But hey, Lillard's team is doing better so yeah who could disagree? That's basically the whole argument. Let's just forget C.J.Mccollum who can drop 20-25 in any given night, also Plumlee and Aminu who has been absolutely amazing in the playoffs.
     
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    Ball-dominant PG's that win titles. Isiah. Magic. Anyone else? I'll stick with Harden.
     
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    I'm so incredibly tired of the Harden hate!
     
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    Lillard. He is carrying a team full of kj McDaniels to the finals.
     
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    How many ball-dominant no defense SGs win titles?
     
  18. digitallinh

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    right, I'm not groundbreaking any new science on a fan forum, just asking what I thought was an interesting question....sorry?

    they are intangibles, we can't quantify them...

    but I don't think it's a secret that the Rockets had a leadership problem last year.
     
  19. thedude077

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    Lillard is better.
     
  20. 2k1

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    Can't capture this in stats. Dame is a great leader.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2016/01/trail_blazers_text_messages_kings.html
     
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