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Let's Talk Transistion Defense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:55 AM.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    We are nearly dead last in allowing Transistion buckets per game
    https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-fastbreak-points-per-game

    The issues is how our offense works
    We have two men in the corners (Furthest from the opposition's basket)
    Usually one guy (Westbrook/EGo/HArden) running into the lane (and probably falling down)
    Leaving two men in position to get back - (One if you have Capela deep under the goal attempting to get a alley oop)

    If a team has any level of skill running a fast break
    3-2 fast break will result in points, foul or points and foul like at least 60~75% of the time
    The Question is. . . Should the Rockets take more cheapy fouls to stop transistion? No
    D*MN SURE NOT FOULS ON HARDEN/WESTBROOK/EGO/CAPELA

    The best defense for us in this. .. is to be better offensive rebounders
    or at least slow the transistion with taps or smoothering the rebounder IM

    What are our other options?

    Rocket River
     
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    Another option could be to actually get off our asses and RUN back. I think I've seen that actually work for us in the past. And we were using the same offense then.
     
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    Solution: Make more damn shots.

    You don't need to worry as much about hurry back on D if you're taking care of your O.
     
  5. foggy94

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    What's interesting is the Rockets have the 13th best turnover rate when we run in transition, so it's not like they are just coughing the ball up every time and leading to opposite fast breaks. They are also 9th in scoring frequency, so the opposition is taking the all out of the hoop the majority of the time. I was possibly thinking we conceded more because we run so much and are faster, but this is mostly a problem in our half court you'd assume. Also, OKC had one of the best transition offenses last year and one of the best transition defenses, so you can do both.

    Feigen mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the Rockets made a change this season by having an extra guy offensive rebound, so that is probably having an effect. Not to mention we are an old team, and one that still isn't used to running a lot. We do have the 13th best OREB% at 27.2, which is an improvement on last year, but not much (16th, 26.9) If we are sacrificing transition defense for such a marginal improvement on the boards, that seems like a strategy that needs a rethink.
     
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    This... Gotta upgrade House for a guy that will either rebound, or get his ass back on D Gerald Wallace style.
     
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    The issue isn't the system we run, it is that we lack some of the personnel. We need long wings that can get back and we don't have that.
     
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    From my eye test, this right here is the biggest problem. I almost made a post about it a few weeks ago but decided against it. I hate to turn this solely into an anti-Westbrook thing, that's really not my intention, but it has been something I've noticed with his superspeed out of control missed layups. He will go flying under the basket, sliding on his back into the first row, meanwhile the other team is taking advantage of easy transition opportunities. It doesn't help that he rarely gets calls on his drives. Harden is an offender of this as well, falling down after his layups, but it doesn't seem as frequent as Westbrook because he gets more calls and also doesn't do it as often.

    I'd be really interested to see our opponents PPP after a missed layup by Harden, and a missed layup by Westbrook. It seems like that's where all this transition is coming from.
     
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    This is actually the opposite of transition defense strategy.

    One of the most eye-popping trends in the NBA is the drastic deemphasis of Offensive Rebounding as seen in ORB% drops throughout the league.

    While coaching NY and Hou, JVG preached that getting back is much more important ... as well as controlling turnovers. He advocated Ball Control offenses that featured set offensive spot-up shooters who would release on shots, vs gang rebound. It is transition defense that drove JVG's offense philosophy ... and he was the main voice of the trend to release vs the gang rebounding of past eras.
     
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    B4 we lost ariza and Luc Mbah a Moute, we got 3-4 defense specialist (veterans)…that made us so brilliant on both ends of the floor.

    This season, we squash down teams PCT below.500 w/ our offense (unless out of gas); as for those above.500 and diff 5+, we wish all our 3s falling in.
    Suppose its all about who we gonna get in swap season and what our defense scheme gonna rework based on that.
     
  11. foggy94

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    In 2017-18 when we had Ariza, Luc and Tucker we gave up the 3rd most points in transition in the league.
     
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    false. they were #16 with a #7 overall rated defense
     
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    Holly sh*t…i just filtered and checked the list…my fault
    then I'm wondering whether we are close to the 2004-2012 Phoenix Suns, gun and run. (w/o data, wild guess) needless to say, thats also mda's tenure.
     
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    It is always a weird thing
    This literally happens at least 3~5 times a half . . sometimes even a quarter

    I remember. JVG did not believe in second chance points

    Rocket River
     
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    Let's talk transistor radios.

    Sony, Emerson or GE?
     
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    If it's Transition D vs 2nd chance rebound, the 'get back' on transition D is preferred. Because the likelihood of opponent's scoring is higher.

    If it's our guys at corners, falling from drives, or a lob / dunk attempt, outside of sprinting back hard not sure what else.
     
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    I’ve always liked RCA.....:cool:
     
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