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Lawson and Harden as our Parker and Ginobili

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by _RTM_, Jul 20, 2015.

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This comparison is....

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  2. nonsense

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  3. ... like Brian Cook vs Joey Dorsey on TNT

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  1. _RTM_

    _RTM_ Member

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    When you are trying to speak about potential co-existing for a two ball-dominant playmakers, first of all you need speed. Joe Johnson and Deron, Kobe and Nash were not fast enough to generate enough space to beat help defense, especially weakside help. Rondo didn't want and wasn't capable to play fast enough because of his lack of conditioning alongside Monta Ellis last season.

    When you play fast and have speed, like Rockets do, there is no better example than Tony and Manu.

    You know everything about Ginobili and James comparison and definitions in their respective games, but what we need to look at right now is the fact that Ty looks like “poor man prime Tony Parker”, at least at the offensive end.

    Tony: quick drive-and-kick guard, excellent finisher, so-so shooter in early days, extremely improved now, terrific decision-maker, pick-n-roll maestro, takes care of the ball, one of the fastest players at his position and in the league overall.

    Ty Lawson: quick drive-and-kick guard, excellent finisher (63% at the rim last season), most drives to the rim in the NBA last season, shaky shooter, extremely effective with the ball (3.8 AST/TO), pick-n-roll maestro, one of the fastest players at his position.

    Also we have to admit that Lawson was 50-40 player alongside Chauncey Billups as they were sharing their playmaking responsibilities.

    Chauncey limited Ty’s bad shots numbers.

    The only thing that I don’t like in that comparison is the fact that Lawson can’t play alongside solid low-post presence, because it cuts off his penetrating ability.

    It won’t hurt Dwight because of Rockets decision to not use him back to the basket down low, but it will surely hurt D-Mo :(.

    Anyway, Ginobili and Parker were able to co-exist perfectly and that the pairing and the chemistry that we should look for.

    Is it fair?
     
  2. dharocks

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    I actually don't think Dwight's presence on the block should interfere much with Lawson's drives, provided we keep the floor spread with 4 outside shooters.

    Having an intimidating lob threat typically makes things easier for guards to finish at the rim, as it makes the opposing big reluctant to aggressively help on dribble penetration.
     
  3. heypartner

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    Parker is more about his play with Duncan than Ginobody. Gino was about taking over in spurts. If that's what you mean, then the comparison is true, but it helps to have a PnR options and two-man game like SAS had with Duncan. So don't forget what Duncan bright to that success.

    Also let's not forget we are going to run much more than SAS did when Ginobody was in his prime. They were more a precision half court offense


    There are other ways to feature perimeter attacks without much traditional play from bigs - eg GSW -- I foresee perimeter drive threats off of passes from the ball handler. Well have the ability to break down a defense who is trying to stay with our off-ball guard. I wouldn't call that as SAS offense of old
     
  4. _RTM_

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    Low-post presence like Dwight brings enough help defense and eats a ton of space in the paint. Lawson is aggressive driving players, without his driving ability he just jacking up bricks. But once he's driving to the rim, he's elite.

    For example, Lawson just ignored Mozgov in Denver while he was praying for the ball down low.

    Once Dwight would play like he did alongside Clippers, entering the paint from the baseline, Ty is OK.

    Two words: KENNETH FARIED.
     
  5. xtruroyaltyx

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    I know neither of these guys are pg's but it seems like lebron and wade are always left out of this discussion when it comes to two ball dominant players coming together and co existing. As long as both guys are willing passers and they know how to play basketball it should work out.
     
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    Kenny smith and drexler
     
  7. Phillyrocket

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    This was my first thought as well.
     
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    Smith was a better shooter and nowhere near the penetrator and passer that Lawson is.
     
  9. ThatBoyNick

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    Ty is really really good next with pick&pop big men on pick&rolls. A player like Patterson would look glorious next to Lawson.
     
  10. J Sizzle

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    Good God that's Carl Herrera's music!
     
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    Parker & Ginobili are perennial NBA champions. Not a fair comparison.
     
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    See the sig, it's good to have hope though
     
  13. glimmertwins

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    I think it's a fair comparison - as a pair they do similar things to Parker/Ginobili - at least offensively. Defensively, Ginobili was probably better than Harden and Parker was equally as not good as Lawson...
     

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