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[LA Times] "Clemens, Others Implicated in Banned Drug Case"

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  1. mokulen

    mokulen Contributing Member

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    Saw this posted at the ABT board!

    If the Tejada deal had gone through, we'd have three of those named!

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clemens1oct01,0,6499528.story


    Clemens, Others Implicated in Banned Drug Case
    Seven-time Cy Young Award winner is among six players accused by a former teammate of using performance-enhancing drugs
    By Lance Pugmire and Tim Brown, Times Staff Writers
    8:32 PM PDT, September 30, 2006

    Roger Clemens, 44, one of professional baseball's most durable and successful pitchers, is among six players accused by a former teammate of using performance-enhancing drugs, The Times has learned. The names had been blacked out in an affidavit filed in federal court.

    Others whose identities had been concealed include Clemens' fellow Houston Astros pitcher, Andy Pettitte, and former American League Most Valuable Player Miguel Tejada of the Baltimore Orioles.

    The discovery ends four months of speculation surrounding the possible identities of Major League Baseball figures whose names were redacted from a search warrant affidavit filed in Phoenix on May 31. The document was based on statements made to federal agents by pitcher Jason Grimsley.

    Grimsley, a journeyman relief pitcher who has played on several teams including the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and the Angels, acknowledged using steroids, amphetamines and other drugs, investigators said in the document. He also implicated a number of former teammates, but the names were blacked out in copies of the affidavit that were made public in June after investigators used the warrant to raid Grimsley's house.

    A source with authorized access to an unredacted affidavit allowed The Times to see it, but retained it to read back what had been blacked out of the public copies. A second source and confidante of Grimsley had previously disclosed player identities and provided additional details about the affidavit. The sources insisted on anonymity.

    According to the affidavit, Grimsley told investigators that Clemens and Pettitte "used athletic performance-enhancing drugs." He also said Tejada used anabolic steroids.

    Clemens and Pettitte did not respond to requests for comment made Saturday through their agents and the Astros. Tejada had previously declined to be interviewed.

    Grimsley was detained after he allegedly received an illegal shipment of human growth hormones. The shipment was tracked to his Scottsdale, Ariz., home by a task force of federal agents investigating drug use in professional baseball, the affidavit said.

    For a time, Grimsley secretly cooperated with investigators, they said, but stopped after retaining a lawyer.

    According to the 20-page search warrant affidavit signed by IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, Grimsley told investigators he obtained amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormones from a source recommended to him by former Yankee trainer Brian McNamee. The former team trainer is a personal strength coach for both Clemens and Pettitte.

    McNamee did not return multiple messages left with his wife and on his answering machine.

    The affidavit also alleges that Grimsley told federal agents that his former Oriole teammates -- Tejada, Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons -- "took anabolic steroids." Roberts was the American League's All-Star second baseman in 2005 when Grimsley was an Oriole.

    All three Baltimore players declined to be interviewed. Roberts said he had "nothing to talk about" and didn't know why Grimsley named him. A sixth player, retired outfielder David Segui previously came forward to say that his name was among those blacked out in the affidavit provided to the public. Segui told ESPN in June that he used HGH on the advice of his doctor as recently as the 2004 season. He did not obtain approval from the league, he acknowledged.

    Government officials have declined to comment about either their ongoing investigation of drugs in professional baseball.

    Clemens, a seven-time Cy Young Award winner who came out of retirement to pitch for the Astros in each of the last two years, was a teammate of Grimsley on the Yankees in 1999-2000, as was Pettitte, a two-time All-Star who is nearing 200 career wins. Grimsley, Tejada, Gibbons and Roberts were teammates in Baltimore during the 2005 season.

    Grimsley started this year with the Arizona Diamondbacks, but requested voluntary retirement in June after his arrest. The National League also suspended him for 50 games. Edward Novak, Grimsley's lawyer, did not return calls. Previously, he publicly disputed the claims investigators made the affidavit, saying that his client did not volunteer the names of any teammates. He said federal agents asked Grimsley to wear a recording device to gather evidence against San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, but Grimsley refused.

    Grimsley has not been charged. Since June, he has complained to friends that federal agents credited him with statements and disclosures he didn't make.

    "Jason is loyal to the death, a hard-headed guy who would not give up his friends," one of Grimsley's friends said Saturday. "The only names he discussed with those investigators were names ... [the investigators] suggested to him."

    The Grimsley friend, who talked about the investigation on condition that he was not named, said investigators warned the pitcher "if he didn't continue to cooperate, they would expose him as a rat."

    Richard Levin, a spokesman for Major League Baseball, said the organization and players association are "doing everything we can to eliminate the use of performance-enhancing substances and amphetamines from the game."
     
  2. htownballa23

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    Just saw this on sportscenter too. Didnt they say something like this about Clemens last year too?
     
  3. Faos

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    That ought to put a nice damper on the end of the season.
     
  4. The Cat

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    Pay attention to that paragraph. This is nothing more than the witchhunt that's been underway for two years to Clemens and Tejada among a few others.
     
  5. Major

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    Except you were quoting hearsay as well. That was all just a Grimsley friend's opinion. So far, it seems that more often than not, the people exposed in these types of things have turned out to be guilty after their initial denials. (Palmeiro, Bonds, Sheffield, Giambi, for example). Everyone blasted Canseco when he exposed people too, and it looks now that he was right.

    It would surprise me one bit if any or all of those guys (Clemens, Pettitte, Tejada) did use at some point or another.
     
  6. Major

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    Err, wouldn't surprise me.
     
  7. Mr. Brightside

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    I knew it. Guilty! Didn't expect Pettite to been using this stuff though.
     
  8. dtowninyourtown

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    id be real surprised if clemens and pettite really did use them... i guess we will eventually kno
     
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    If you are not cheating, then you are not trying.

    Gaylord Perry
     
  10. The Cat

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    Yeah, this is definitely an overwhelming case. :rolleyes:
     
  11. The Cat

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    Now apparently it's Grimsley's opinion as well.

    Houston-based agent Randy Hendricks, who represents Clemens and Pettitte, 34, told the Associated Press: "I'm told (Grimsley) has denied saying all of this. It's an agent's recollection about a conversation he had about conjecture."

    http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4227493.html

    So, Grimsley's personal friends deny it, and now sources that would be in the know report that Grimsley denies it... can somebody say witchhunt? This is a non-event, except to all the conspiracy theorists out there who love a ficticious story.
     
  12. Air Langhi

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    It wouldn't suprise me if clemens used it. He is huge.
     
  13. Deuce Rings

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    Not to mention that he remains one of, if not the, top pitcher in the game at age 44 if I could inject some Terrell Owens logic here.
     
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    agreed, his career/body was dissimulating during the late 90s, then all of a sudden he came to Houston and started throwing fireballs again...at 45!

    Not saying he did it, but...
     
  15. Major

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    Now you're quoting the agent of the guys accused and using that as Grimsley's opinion?

    Grimsley denied all of it as soon as it became public last season (or was it early this season?) and he became enemy #1 in MLB clubhouses. He was apparently promised his information would remain confidential. It's hard to say exactly what really happened, but Grimsley's motivation for denial was that he became an outcast in the player community.
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    look at clemens' head. pettitte has a big horse head.
     
  17. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Clemens, Gibbons, and Tejada wouldn't surprise me but Pettitte just doesn't seem the body type.
     
  18. Truth

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    What do you mean? No homo, but Pettitte's upper body and legs are huge... I wouldnt be surprised .. -
     
  19. KAS13

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    I'm giving Clemens and Petite the benefit of the doubt because they've earned it. I could careless what Jaon Grimsley has to say. Plus, there's been so much flip flopping on this situation involving what Grimsley actually said or didn't say.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    how have they earned the benefit of the doubt as opposed to others who have been accused
     

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