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Knicks exploring options with Joakim Noah

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  1. rockets13champs

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    Every now and again I am reminded that there are worse contracts than Ryan Anderson. It's so hard to believe.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    The options for what? His day is long over. The option is "buyout".
     
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  4. J.R.

    J.R. Contributing Member

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    In other news,...

    The Lakers are exploring their options with Luol Deng
    The Grizzlies are exploring their options with Chandler Parsons
    The Rockets are exploring their options with Ryan Anderson
     
  5. J.R.

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    After Joakim Noah was sent home because of a heated verbal exchange with coach Jeff Hornacek in practice last week, the New York Knicks are actively exploring avenues to part with Noah, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

    Noah and Hornacek had a fiery exchange at practice the day after the 6-foot-11 center played only five minutes in the Knicks’ road loss to Golden State last Tuesday. It stopped short of turning physical, league sources said, but the organization and Noah agreed for him to leave the team as the Knicks finished the two games remaining on their seven-game road trip.

    There’s uncertainty about whether Noah will rejoin the team in New York this week, league sources said. Sources said the Knicks have yet to broach a contract buyout with Noah, but that is an avenue the franchise could pursue should their aggressive trade searches fail.

    Noah, a two-time All-Star, remains steadfast in his belief that he could help a team and play rotational minutes. So far, Noah — whose return from a league drug suspension this season included a stint in the G League — has yet to gain legitimate minutes in the Knicks’ rotation and remains behind big men Kyle O’Quinn and Willy Hernangomez.

    Even as Noah has struggled through the four-year, $72 million contract he signed in 2016, there is expected to be a market for him if he is ultimately waived or bought out. Noah was a member of the All-NBA first team and the Defensive Player of the Year as a member of the Chicago Bulls in 2014.

    Noah played in just 46 games in 2016-17 after signing with his hometown franchise, undergoing season-ending knee surgery in February and then receiving a 20-game suspension for violating the league’s anti-drug policy.

    Noah, 32, spent his first nine NBA seasons with the Bulls and became a pillar of the franchise. He has averaged 8.9 points, 9.3 rebounds and 2.9 assists in 11 seasons.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-pr...xploring-ways-part-joakim-noah-174916950.html
     
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    Duck my life..some guys just sitting their ass off and getting paid 72M$ :(
     
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    They might have to just swallow it.
    If they do . .. he is off their books by year's end right?

    Rocket River
     
  9. Clutch

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    No one is taking that contract without a significant asset to go along with it. If they buy him out, which is a big if considering he isn't taking a discount and has two years after this one remaining, then I do wonder about the Rockets. I have no idea if the Rockets think Noah is washed up for sure -- he may be -- but I know Morey loved Noah in his prime. Huge fan of his defensive instincts/knowledge/game.
     
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    Yep, came in here to post this. If there is a buyout I would expect the Rockets to at least have discussions with his reps.

    I think the reality is that he is washed up/beat to hell from injuries.

    I don't think the Knicks even have an asset that they could package with Noah to dump that contract.
     
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    What are his issues?
    Physically broken down?

    The mind is willing but the body is unable?

    Rocket River
     
  12. J.R.

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    The veteran forward Joakim Noah was granted time away from the Knicks after at least one heated argument with Coach Jeff Hornacek, according to two people with knowledge of the dispute.

    The officially stated reason for Noah’s absence from the Knicks’ last two games was “personal reasons.” But the Knicks and Noah agreed to what amounts to a cooling-off period after an emotional exchange with Hornacek, according to the people, who are not authorized to discuss the situation publicly.

    The Knicks declined to comment on Monday.

    The argument occurred at the Knicks’ practice on Wednesday in Denver and led to Noah leaving the team.

    Talks between the Knicks and Noah, a two-time former All-Star, for him to rejoin the club are scheduled for later this week, according to the people.

    Hornacek initially announced Noah would miss at least two games, but that will stretch to four if he does not return to the team for Wednesday’s trip to Boston. Noah has already been ruled out of Tuesday’s home date with Brooklyn.

    In the second year of a four-year, $72 million contract that is widely regarded as one of the biggest financial burdens in the league, Noah appeared in only six of the Knicks’ first 47 games before his ill-fated stint against the Warriors.

    Noah entered the Knicks’ game at Golden State last Tuesday with 10:09 remaining in regulation and the Knicks trailing by only 10 points despite playing without the injured Kristaps Porzingis. But Hornacek pulled Noah after only 4:31, with Golden State’s lead up to 16 by that stage en route to a 123-111 triumph.

    Noah was visibly upset after his removal. He attended the Knicks’ practice last Wednesday in Denver but was no longer with the team Thursday, when it absorbed a 130-118 loss to the Nuggets.

    When asked about Noah last week by reporters traveling with the team, Hornacek said: “We’re not going to comment on that stuff. Personal reasons. He won’t be with us the next couple of games.”

    Noah, who turns 33 in February, was brought to the Knicks by the former team president Phil Jackson but has been a nonfactor for them. Noah’s first season in New York was marred by a knee injury that required surgery in February 2017, followed by a 20-game suspension for violating the league’s antidrug policy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/sports/basketball/joakim-noah-knicks.html
     
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    The notion of Joakim Noah being on the New York Knicks’ trading block is hardly revelatory.

    After all, any player who’s owed a combined $37.8 million in salary for the next two seasons but who hardly plays is destined to be deemed dead weight. But the Knicks’ urgency to move Noah in advance of the Feb. 8 trade deadline has indeed spiked this week because of rising tensions between the 32-year-old and coach Jeff Hornacek.

    According to two people with knowledge of the situation, Noah’s playing time in Tuesday's loss against the Golden State Warriors at Oracle Arena is at the root of the friction. With fellow big men Kristaps Porzingis out with left knee irritation and Kyle O’Quinn sitting with a left calf injury, Noah had been told to prepare for a rare chance at significant playing time.

    But Noah didn’t enter the game until there was 10:09 left in the fourth quarter and the Knicks trailed 100-90. Five minutes later, with the Golden State lead having grown to 16 points, he was replaced by Enes Kanter and would not return. From Noah’s view, this was a far cry from the plan that had been discussed – not to mention a disrespectful way to treat a veteran who hadn’t played in the previous 10 games.

    So on his way off the floor, Noah – according to the two people who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation – hollered at Hornacek in the kind of R-rated way that had league executives talking about the growing friction in the coming days. The next day in Denver, Noah shared his view with Hornacek yet again during a heated exchange at Knicks practice, and the team decided to send Noah home to New York for the final two games of their seven-game trip. It’s unclear when, or if, Noah will rejoin the team.

    Yet no matter how this ends, it’s quite clear that this partnership between Noah and the Knicks is unofficially over. He trained hard to get healthy again after enduring season-ending knee surgery last February, then started his season by serving a 20-game NBA suspension for violating the league’s anti-drug policy (an illegal substance from over-the-counter supplements was traced). To wit: In the 31 games since returning from his suspension, Noah – who was the league’s Defensive Player of the Year and a fourth-place finisher in MVP voting while with the Chicago Bulls less than four years ago – has played a combined 41 minutes.

    Noah, who was given a four-year, $72 million deal from former Knicks executive Phil Jackson in the summer of 2016, is known to have no interest in a possible buyout and is currently awaiting word from the Knicks on the next step. The next move is up to first-year general manager Scott Perry, who signed a five-year deal with the Knicks last summer and will have a hard time finding a new home for Noah unless he’s willing to attach his contract to some shiny assets for teams looking to rebuild.

    For Noah’s part, a magic-wand sort of move to play for his old Bulls coach, Tom Thibodeau, and his Minnesota Timberwolves – or any other contender, for that matter – would be welcome. Noah is known to have patched up his relationship with former Bulls teammates/Wolves star Jimmy Butler, and he believes he still has a lot to offer a team that provides the change in landscape.

    If only that massive contract wasn’t getting in the way.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...cks-after-jeff-hornacek-incidents/1075953001/
     
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    which FO do you think has it worse? Meaning is going to have a rough day trying to get rid of their wasted player.
     
  15. Mr. Turbo

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    Please remind me, has Deng fallen off or is it one of those system thingies?
     
  16. J.R.

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    Yeah, he's fallen off. A lot of miles on those legs (from Thibodeau). Maybe he can help a team as their 8th?-9th/10th man but seems unlikely.

    All of the above? :D

    While Parsons may be paid the highest(/worst contract), they're all gonna cost roughly the same to move: two firsts, a first + another significant asset...

    Joakim Noah
    2017-18: $17,765,000
    2018-19: $18,530,000
    2019-20: $19,295,000

    Luol Deng
    2017-18: $17,190,000
    2018-19: $18,000,000
    2019-20: $18,810,000

    Chandler Parsons
    2017-18: $23,112,004
    2018-19: $24,107,258
    2019-20: $25,102,511

    Ryan Anderson
    2017-18: $19,578,455
    2018-19: $20,421,546
    2019-20: $21,264,635

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/248750/The-10-Least-Tradable-NBA-Contracts-Of-2018

    10. Nicolas Batum (4 years/$99.1 million, last year Player Option)
    9. Ian Mahinmi (3 years/$48 million)
    8. Danilo Gallinari (3 years/$64.8 million)
    7. Timofey Mozgov (3 years/$48 million)
    6. Omer Asik (3 years/$33.9 million, last year Player Option and $3 million guaranteed)
    5. Brandon Knight (3 years/$43.9 million)
    4. Mike Conley (4 years/$126 million, last year Player Option and $22.4 million guaranteed)
    3. Joakim Noah (3 years/$55.6 million)
    2. Chandler Parsons (3 years/$72.3 million)
    1. Luol Deng (3 years/$54 million)
     
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    I can't think of a single team that would trade for Noah without 2 firsts and the Knicks need all of their draft picks.

    Their only option is to stretch his salary out.
     
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    Is Deng injured?
    Why is he worse than Parsons?

    Rocket River
     
  19. YOLO

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    if noah was on the open market right now, he would be making min money if he is lucky enough to find a team to take a chance on him. nobody is going to give him a multi year contract. So from his perspective hes smart to get all the money he can.
     
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    Reviewing Noah Options:

    * Let him stay at home
    * Let him Play
    * Let him sit on bench
    * Pay him in Cash
    * Pay him by check
    * Pay him by direct deposit
    * Trade him with two first round picks
    * Trade him with one first round pick and other favors.
    * Offer him a boatload of money just to walk away

    Review of what is not an option
    * Trade him and get something of value in return
    * Not pay him
    * Tear up his contract
     
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