there isn't much comparison. Thibs is in a league of his own. hes been that way at every head coaching spot. I posted about him a long time ago. a lot of yall still exaggerate extremely about the actual rotations with MDA. mostly due to the fact that guys were unplayable against GS or get exposed, then the exaggeration comes out as if its what it is against everyone else. Nah
It doesn't sound like a good fit. It could be. It probably isn't. Now is not the time to put the reigns on Harden. We had Tracy McGrady and Yao under JVG and could do nothing offensively. He feels more like a guy who can do something with nothing, rather than a guy who can something with real talent.
Your knowledge of basketball is more vast than mine. I just have noticed the playing time of some of our players are at league highs already. The point I was trying to make is our current coach already pushes some players past the norms of the rest of the league. That is one of bigger complaints of Thibs and it already happens now.
IMO - the usage is not equal. This is not a TT roster. Solution: A PARADE with no need for social distancing.
I have mentioned that JVG and Thibs are just leverage to bring the cost of Mike D’Antoni down. D’Antoni won’t come down in price low enough (same price or pay cut). Ultimately Vipers current coach is being groomed for the job. Mahmoud Abdelfattah is a basketball game (film) video junkie that is an innovative up and coming bright mind that the Rockets can pay cheap and pretty much keep the same offense in place. 2nd in NBA ORtg and points per game. Our version of Spoelstra when he first got the gig with the Miami Heat (with Wade/Bosh/LeBron)
Whoever you get a chance, Take a look at the minutes of guys like Noah, butler, Deng, Kat, Rose. etc under Thibs coaching tenures over them. It’s brutal man
This is exactly what Paul did for us. Fast forward to now—> one of the biggest drawbacks to that style of play is we are turn over prone and when each position means more it’s not a good look for us.
I don’t think it’s fair to put JVG and Thibs in the same category as HC’s . I don’t fully know jvg’s basketball history but has he ever lost a lockeroom like thibs has ? has he ever demanded power to be GM and HC ? Even though they are both defense first , no nonsense guys they have two completely different personalities. JVG has spent time away from the game , but has had a frontrow seat as an announcer to witness some of the “analytics” revolution. JVG of the past I don’t think is better MDA ... if he has improved by taking a step back then I think he is better . I think this is likely , just my gut opinion . JVG couldn’t beat Utah with a top heavy roster and a somewhat mismatched Yao Ming . Our rosters got way better after he left and Morey had more time to accumulate talent . I think we need more of an oldschool approach. Before harden turned into the numbers monster that he is , he was described as having an old-man crafty game. I think JVG strikes a balance . He’s smart enough to factor in the data and the new nba , but he knows that’s just one factor . I think In some of those tight games with GS he would NOT have let GS get away with the fouling they were doing and it not being called . He’d escalate and send nene in there to take currys head off . we lack the ability to get a bit violent . We weren’t “soft” but it didn’t take much to be more physical than the warriors . They had green and zaza , our core played tougher, but we lacked the type of enforcer needed . I would fully endorse JVG as the coach assuming he wants it and the lockeroom is for it / MDA wants to step away . If not let MDA finish out the season . It would be a bit too Dick and prolly cause contention in the lockeroom not letting JVG get started on the right foot
I think it was Morey who was saying that teams that fire a head coach nearly always go completely in the opposite direction, and the results usually range from mediocre to disastrous. Anyone thinking that because we've been an offensive juggernaut we now need to bring in a defensive-minded head coach might be in for a rude awakening. If we dump MDA, our best bet is to bring in someone who values offense highly, but NOT at the expense of defense.
imo... Bring in an authoritarian to hold guys accountable - JVG does this while maintaining strong relationships with his players - and then offset his weaker side (offense or defense) with a strong assistant... If you do JVG, then you give him a strong offensive minded asst - inverse of what Bzdelik was for MDA. Besides most of our offense is preordained - 3s and layups with heavy iso... The key point in my opinion is leadership and minute management.
You can say that now because its a done deal. Francis arguably didn't have his heavy drug issues until after we traded him and was away from Cat after Orlando. We had a better shot at winning it all the next 2 years if we kept Yao, Francis, Mobley than we ever did having Tmac on the roster. Mobley and Francis paid their dues year in and year out for the Rockets and deserved a shot to prove themselves with Yao. Tmac didn't prove nothing but how to be selfish and break down, and quit. Honestly I don't know what everyone else thought was going to happen getting Tmac. We traded away two Allstars for this chump.
I agree. While MDA’s rotations are notoriously short (not just in Houston but in Phoenix....just ask The Matrix) Thibs is absolutely ridiculous. I remember during Covington’s first game with the Wolves Thibs ran him 43+ hard minutes. Thibs rides his players hard and he puts them up wet.
Jeff and Tom probably aren't my first choice (or even second or third choices) but to act like... "Rockets run this beautiful, crisp Spurs/Warriors 'A beautiful game' offense who play their players low minutes and believe in load management and Tom is gonna come in here and mess it all up and run the players into the ground! Arghhhh..." Stop. Offense is still gonna run through James (and Russ), with James pounding the rock. Still gonna spam a bunch (and miss a bunch) of threes. Oh no! He's gonna go from playing 36 minutes to 38 minutes! Spoiler Average minutes under Thibodeau Luol Deng: 38.7 minutes Jimmy Butler: 36.6 minutes (MIN) Andrew Wiggins: 36.2 minutes Karl Anthony Towns: 35.2 minutes Robert Covington: 34.7 minutes Derrick Rose: 34.5 minutes Joakim Noah: 33.3 minutes Jeff Teague: 31.9 minutes Mike Dunleavy: 30.5 minutes Carlos Boozer: 30.4 minutes Ricky Rubio: 30.1 minutes Jimmy Butler: 29.7 (20.1 first 2 years; 38.7 last 2 years) Taj Gibson: 29.0 minutes (MIN) Kirk Hinrich: 27.6 minutes Derrick Rose: 25.1 minutes (MIN) Taj Gibson: 24.2 minutes Ronnie Brewer: 23.2 minutes Richard Hamilton: 22.9 minutes Kyle Korver: 21.2 minutes Gorgui Dieng: 21.2 minutes Nemanja Bjelica: 19.4 minutes Tyus Jones: 18.1 minutes Luol Deng: 17.8 minutes (MIN) Tony Snell: 17.7 minutes CJ Watson: 17.2 minutes Omer Asik: 13.2 minutes Average minutes under D'Antoni James Harden: 37.8 minutes (McHale) James Harden: 36.3 minutes Russell Westbrook: 35.9 minutes Trevor Ariza: 35.5 minutes (McHale) Trevor Ariza: 34.3 minutes Robert Covington: 32.6 minutes PJ Tucker: 32.0 minutes (34.3 this year & last) Chris Paul: 31.9 minutes Eric Gordon: 30.9 minutes Patrick Beverley: 30.7 minutes Clint Capela: 29.0 minutes Danuel House: 28.0 minutes Patrick Beverley: 27.8 minutes (McHale) Ryan Anderson: 27.8 minutes Austin Rivers: 25.7 minutes Gerald Green: 21.1 minutes Clint Capela: 17.5 minutes (McHale) Nene: 15.5 minutes Gary Clark: 12.4 minutes Isaiah Hartenstein: 9.5 minutes
Spoiler Thibodeau's Bulls 2010-11 (62-20) PTS/G: 98.6 (20th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 91.3 (2nd of 30) SRS: 6.53 (2nd of 30) Pace: 90.4 (23rd of 30) Off Rtg: 108.3 (11th of 30) Def Rtg: 100.3 (1st of 30) Luol Deng: 39.1 minutes Derrick Rose: 37.4 Joakim Noah: 32.8 Carlos Boozer: 31.9 Kurt Thomas: 22.7 Ronnie Brewer: 22.0 Taj Gibson: 21.8 Kyle Korver: 20.1 Keith Bogans: 17.8 CJ Watson: 13.3 Omer Asik: 12.1 James Johnson: 9.5 2011-12 (50-16) PTS/G: 96.3 (18th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 88.2 (1st of 30) SRS: 7.43 (1st of 30) Pace: 89.1 (28th of 30) Off Rtg: 107.4 (5th of 30) Def Rtg: 98.3 (2nd of 30) Luol Deng: 39.4 minutes Derrick Rose: 35.3 Joakim Noah: 30.4 Carlos Boozer: 29.5 Richard Hamilton: 24.9 Ronnie Brewer: 24.8 CJ Watson: 23.7 Kyle Korver: 22.6 Taj Gibson: 20.4 John Lucas III: 14.8 Omer Asik: 14.7 Mike James: 10.9 Jimmy Butler: 8.5 2012-13 (45-37) PTS/G: 93.2 (29th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 92.9 (3rd of 30) SRS: -0.02 (14th of 30) Pace: 89.3 (27th of 30) Off Rtg: 103.5 (23rd of 30) Def Rtg: 103.2 (6th of 30) Luol Deng: 38.7 minutes Joakim Noah: 36.8 Carlos Boozer: 32.2 Kirk Hinrich: 29.4 Jimmy Butler: 26.0 Marco Belinelli: 25.8 Nate Robinson: 25.4 Taj Gibson: 22.4 Richard Hamilton: 21.8 Nazr Mohammed: 11.0 2013-14 (48-34) PTS/G: 93.7 (30th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 91.8 (1st of 30) SRS: 1.20 (14th of 30) Pace: 90.2 (29th of 30) Off Rtg: 102.5 (28th of 30) Def Rtg: 100.5 (2nd of 30) Jimmy Butler: 38.7 minutes Luol Deng: 37.4 Joakim Noah: 35.3 Mike Dunleavy: 31.5 Derrick Rose: 31.1 DJ Augustin: 30.4 Kirk Hinrich: 29.0 Taj Gibson: 28.7 Carlos Boozer: 28.2 Tony Snell: 16.0 Marquis Teague: 12.7 2014-15 (50-32) PTS/G: 100.8 (15th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 97.8 (9th of 30) SRS: 2.54 (10th of 30) Pace: 92.8 (23rd of 30) Off Rtg: 107.5 (11th of 30) Def Rtg: 104.3 (11th of 30) Jimmy Butler: 38.7 minutes Pau Gasol: 34.4 Joakim Noah: 30.6 Derrick Rose: 30.0 Mike Dunleavy: 29.2 Taj Gibson: 27.3 Kirk Hinrich: 24.4 Aaron Brooks: 23.0 Nikola Mirotic: 20.2 Tony Snell: 19.6 E'Twaun Moore: 9.0 Doug McDermott: 8.9 Thibodeau's TimberBulls 2016-17 (31-51) PTS/G: 105.6 (13th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 106.7 (19th of 30) SRS: -0.64 (18th of 30) Pace: 94.6 (25th of 30) Off Rtg: 110.8 (10th of 30) Def Rtg: 112.0 (27th of 30) Zach LaVine: 37.2 Andrew Wiggins: 37.2 Karl Anthony Towns: 37.0 Ricky Rubio: 32.9 Gorgui Dieng: 32.4 Brandon Rush: 21.9 Shabazz Muhammad: 19.4 Nemanja Bjelica: 18.3 Omri Casspi: 17.1 Kris Dunn: 17.1 Tyus Jones: 12.9 Lance Stephenson: 11.2 Cole Aldrich: 8.6 2017-18 (47-35) PTS/G: 109.5 (8th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 107.3 (17th of 30) SRS: 2.35 (10th of 30) Pace: 96.0 (24th of 30) Off Rtg: 113.4 (4th of 30) Def Rtg: 111.1 (27th of 30) Jimmy Butler: 36.7 minutes Andrew Wiggins: 36.3 Karl Anthony Towns: 35.6 Taj Gibson: 33.2 Jeff Teague: 33.0 Jamal Crawford: 20.7 Nemaja Bjelica: 20.5 Tyus Jones: 17.9 Gorgui Dieng: 16.9 Derrick Rose: 12.4 Shabazz Muhammad: 9.4 2018-19 (19-21; Ryan Saunders 17-25) PTS/G: 112.5 (13th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 114.0 (23rd of 30) SRS: -1.02 (20th of 30) Pace: 100.2 (14th of 30) Off Rtg: 111.4 (11th of 30) Def Rtg: 112.9 (24th of 30) Jimmy Butler: 36.1 minutes Andrew Wiggins: 34.8 Robert Covington: 34.7 Karl Anthony Towns: 33.1 Jeff Teague: 30.1 Derrick Rose: 27.3 Taj Gibson: 24.1 Dario Saric: 23.9 Josh Okogie: 23.7 Tyus Jones: 22.9 Jerryd Bayless: 19.3 Luol Deng: 17.8 Keita Bates-Diop: 16.8 Anthony Tolliver: 16.6 Cam Reynolds: 13.6 Gorgui Dieng: 13.6 D'Antoni's Rockets 2016-17 (55-27) PTS/G: 115.3 (2nd of 30) Opp PTS/G: 109.6 (26th of 30) SRS: 5.84 (3rd of 30) Pace: 100.0 (3rd of 30) Off Rtg: 114.7 (2nd of 30) Def Rtg: 109.0 (18th of 30) James Harden: 36.4 minutes Trevor Ariza: 34.7 Eric Gordon: 31.0 Patrick Beverley: 30.7 Ryan Anderson: 29.4 Lou Williams: 25.7 Clint Capela: 23.9 Sam Dekker: 18.4 Montrezl Harrell: 18.3 Nene: 17.9 Corey Brewer: 15.9 2017-18 (65-17) PTS/G: 112.4 (2nd of 30) Opp PTS/G: 103.9 (6th of 30) SRS: 8.21 (1st of 30) Pace: 97.6 (13th of 30) Off Rtg: 114.7 (1st of 30) Def Rtg: 106.1 (6th of 30) James Harden: 35.4 minutes Trevor Ariza: 33.9 Chris Paul: 31.8 Eric Gordon: 31.2 PJ Tucker: 27.8 Clint Capela: 27.5 Ryan Anderson: 26.1 Luc Mbah a Moute: 25.6 Gerald Green: 22.7 Joe Johnson: 22.0 Nene: 14.6 Tarik Black: 10.5 2018-19 (53-29) PTS/G: 113.9 (11th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 109.1 (10th of 30) SRS: 4.96 (5th of 30) Pace: 97.9 (26th of 30) Off Rtg: 115.5 (2nd of 30) Def Rtg: 110.7 (17th of 30 James Harden: 36.8 minutes PJ Tucker: 34.2 Clint Capela: 33.6 Chris Paul: 32.0 Eric Gordon: 31.7 Austin Rivers: 28.6 Danuel House: 25.1 Ken Faried: 24.4 James Ennis: 23.7 Gerald Green: 20.2 Iman Shumpert: 19.1 Nene: 13.0 Gary Clark: 12.6 2019-20 (40-24) PTS/G: 118.1 (2nd of 30) Opp PTS/G: 114.4 (22nd of 30) SRS: 3.78 (7th of 30) Pace: 103.3 (4th of 30) Off Rtg: 113.8 (2nd of 30) Def Rtg: 110.2 (15th of 30) James Harden: 36.7 minutes Russell Westbrook: 35.9 PJ Tucker: 34.4 Clint Capela: 32.8 Robert Covington: 32.6 Danuel House: 30.0 Eric Gordon: 28.6 Austin Rivers: 23.4 Ben McLemore: 22.8 Jeff Green: 20.1 DeMarre Carroll: 16.0 Gary Clark: 11.8 Isaiah Hartenstein: 11.6 Thabo Sefolosha: 10.6
That was a great interview by Barnes, Jackson and McGrady. Very entertaining. Barnes is a surprisingly good interviewer, very patient, injects timely comments and lets people finish their answers.
When Abdelfattah wins a D League championship then maybe he can be in the conversation. He is far from that milestone right now.
Yes, but what kind of offense is Thibs going to run? How productive, how efficient, how innovative???? And Thibs defense is overrated. The TWolves were below average to bad defensively in the West during his tenure.
