magic, bird, isiah thomas, mj, dream, kobe, td, wade, pierce, dirk, curry. what do these players have in common? they were the franchise players of championship teams for the last 3+ decades, and they were all drafted by their teams. they're all home-grown. many other teams that got close to a championship have had similar approach. i believe a team has to have at least one cornerstone player drafted, developed and built-around of its own. it cannot be all hired guns. the recent "big-3 model" doesnt seem to disprove this idea. it should be a multi-year development plan and process (with a bit luck maybe), not a revolving door approach through all sorts of trades. harden, howard, and durant. even if morey somehow magically realizes that dream, our hope to a title will still be somewhat doubtful - is what i think. to truly build sth. great, you have to start from the ground up.
This is just the to tank or not question....without a doubt you get more shots at stars, if you tank for several years, but that means a lot of losing and less money for the owner....Les didn't want that and thus here we are. /thread.
i hate tanking on purpose. I love having a superstar that you drafted. yao was that last guy. he was everything dwight and harden aren't. whhhhhhhhhhy basketball gods whhhhy? =(
Well, there was Parsons and DMo lately. Morey let go both. Morey doesn't want to pay the best guys he drafts. If he had drafted Kawhi, he would have tried to trade him too.
tanking is related to this, but that's a different angle. you dont always have to have a top 3 pick to build around. e.g., stockton and karl malone.
Yes...Most of those guys were taken really high in the draft...That's what else those teams have in common. Morey was tasked with building a team that got stars while still remaining competitive. Your odds of landing a super star player while picking at the tail end of the lottery and later taper off tremendously. Not a lot of teams get star players without being really bad first, so that's probably why you don't see a lot of examples in winning a ring with the way the Rockets are going about it. Teams don't generally do it this way. And at this point I'd say that cat is out of the bag. Too late to start tanking now. Ninja we made it. We got the stars. They just suck.
They don't have to be all time greats but I do believe you need to draft at least one corneerstone who can be the 3rd best player on a contending team and an all star. Very hard to win in this league just through trades and free agency And those players are available at lower picks. Your Kawhi's Draymond Green's, Ibakas etc. You just have to be agood drafting team but unfortunately Morey is a very mediocre drafter
Harden is home grown but we got him young. He was entering his 4th season. It would be different if he was entering his ugh or 8th. He finished his rookie contract with us. He's not home grown, but that shouldn't be a problem.
I believe Kobe and Dirk were traded on draft night. So not quite the same. That's just it - why wait for multiple years just to wait for something that might or might not pan out, when you can get the pieces you need now, to make a run at a championship? If you were the Heat, would you rather have made the deals that resulted in you having a big 3 of LeBron / Wade / Bosh, or would you rather try to draft pieces that might work around Wade? Wade wouldn't stick around long enough for that. You're essentially saying that you need at least 1 star player to have any chance at a championship, which I don't disagree with. But that's common sense. I don't think any team in the history of the league has won with a mediocre roster. Even that Pistons team that upset LA had Billups, a really good Hamilton, a DPoY in Ben Wallace and one of the better wing defenders in Tayshaun.
Houston could've had paulwtfk as a cornerstone 2nd star and DD masterminding the attack as head coach, both of which are homegrown. That's at least 2 championships in 5 years. But he aint bout dat lyfe.
Oh and btw, David Robinson was damn good, and went down which ended up getting the Spurs Timmy. Lakers traded for Kobe via trade, and the same summer signed Shaq. Kobe almost left via trade demand before the back to backs. MJ was drafted, but Bulls traded for the 5th pick for Scottie. Magic had Kareem there already who wasn't drafted by LA Wade won a championship with Shaq and then LeBron Pierce had to get KG and Allen Yeah, all of them are home grown guys but they couldn't have done it on their own. James is perfectly fine and we don't need to speculate about him not being able to bring Houston a championship because he's not a home grown guy. Hell, we probably still could get a home grown guy through draft. Dmo is here, and if he wasn't we likely would have a lottery pick from Detroit. Sh.t, probably 2 lottery picks in thus draft if we miss the playoffs. Keep Harden. You don't know what you got until it's gone.
*chuckle* Kobe was drafted by Charlotte Nice way to ignore Kareem, LeBron, Shaq, KG, and JEsus Shuttlesworth Rocket River
again, why getting traded at draft night makes a difference? and i said "at least one". your examples dont disprove the point.
the point of this thread is, you have to have sth. organic so to speak. this doesnt exclude free agency or a trade. you have to have sth. "made in america", not all via imports... maybe i didnt make it clear, or maybe some of you guys cant quite read.
Dislike when people say that Kobe was drafted by the Hornets. No context. He was drafted by the Hornets for the Lakers. Kobe was a Laker before he stepped on the stage to shake Stern's hand. LA basically traded for the pick during the draft. It's not like the Hornets drafted Kobe and then decided they'll trade him afterwards. Other notable championions that weren't home drafted include, but aren't limited to Andre Iguodala, Green/Splitter/Mills/Diaw, Pau Gasol, 04 pistons minus Prince, Drexler, and ect.
