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Joel Osteen

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by GreatOne1978, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You are correct. One's net worth is assets - debts. So, please show me the details explaining Harden's net worth. Again, the only ones that actually know are Harden and his accountants.
     
  2. BMoney

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    I disagree. Let me ask you a few questions. On the scale of disgust, is this shame culture really worse than the cognitive dissonance between the life and teaching (pick your version) of Jesus Christ and the promulgation of the prosperity gospel? Is a week of b****y comments on the internet nearly so degrading to your sense of decorum as seeing people like Osteen pervert your faith into a vehicle for abject and shallow materialism? Shouldn't people with his kind power and influence be under scrutiny? Here's how I see this situation. While the city that enriched this ******* was in crisis, it took public shaming to get Osteen to even attempt to do the right thing. Shameful people deserve public scorn just as noble people should be praised. Let's do both. We should hold ourselves and each other to account. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
     
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  3. vlaurelio

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    @bobrek

    https://herosports.com/nba/james-harden-net-worth-billionaire-houston-rockets-a7a7

    "So how do we estimate James Harden's net worth? Take the $88 million he's already banked from basketball, add the roughly $35 million he's already earned from adidas, the money he made from Nike before that, and figure at least another $30 million from all the other endorsement deals he's already finished. Add it up and we come to a cool $163 million. "

    then half goes to taxes which leaves him $81.5M. And its pretty safe to say that for the past 8 years he has spent or incurred debt at conservative rate of $300K a month (I think its at least $500K a month because of her mom, family, relatives, friends) which totals to $30M which leaves him with $50M
     
  4. el gnomo

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    Ok tuff guy. If you want to be technical, it would be 40% of the $163MM taxed, leaving $97.8. And how in the world do you know what his expenses are? Like the other person said, it's all speculation.

    WTF is 'HERO Sports' anyways?
     
  5. vlaurelio

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    40% is only the federal tax.. he is still taxed local state taxes when he's on away games.. and the adidas and other sponsorships prolly has state taxes too.. but for the sake of argument...

    can you give how much he spends a month on avarage for 8 years.. for his and his families cars, houses, food, entertaninment etc..

    do you think its close to 97M or 50M? at the end, he still gave around 1.5% of his networth

    which is far more generous than Les' 0.05%

    a player millionaire donated one tenth of what an owner billionaire donated. can you stop and think about that?

    stop hating fool
     
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  6. Major

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    Can you point to where Forbes tracks net worth of athletes?? WTF?

    Except that I didn't. In fact, I said the opposite - that his income or worth is not particularly relevant to his ability to contribute. Nice try, though, I guess?
     
  7. el gnomo

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    Not hating. I already said he went above and beyond. Just don't think there's a need for you to blow him when he already has plenty of strippers on the job. You're never gonna take their place, breh. ;)
     
  8. Major

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    So in other words, you are just guessing. I do like how you originally claimed "forbes", and then ended up with some website called herosports.com and then added your own guesses about his taxes and spending.
     
  9. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    LOL

    he has earned 160M over 8 years = fact

    40-45% goes to federal and state taxes = fact

    for 8 years, a superstar athlete with of houses, cars, hotels, dining, food, entertainment with his family, extended family, and friends can easily spend 300K-500K a month or 4M-6M a year = fact

    best case he has 75M in assets = he donated 1.5% of his networth

    worst case he has 50M in assets = he donated 2% of his networth

    LOL I thought money didn't matter to you guys who criticize harden

    and my guess above is 100 times better than your guess that Harden wasn't visible or didn't want no part of Houston's post-Harvey rebuild
     
  10. vlaurelio

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    LOL you get embarrassed and you go back to your hole with your stripper defense
     
  11. el gnomo

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    My stripper defense is better than you boyfriend's defense! :p
     
  12. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    so hater is now relagated to talking about strippers and harden's no defense myth

    so what triggers people like you? knowing that harden makes a ton of money or knowing he's more generous than you ever imagined?
     
  13. el gnomo

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    You're the only one triggered here, breh. I've kept saying Harden went above and beyond with his donation. I was only questioning your net worth estimate, and that got you triggered.
     
  14. vlaurelio

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    so now that I've answered it. do you think his networth is closer to 90M or 50M? either ways he has donated 1.5% of his net worth. can you live with that?
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    Ah it starts again.
    1. Churches hand out collection plates/buckets etc. during services to collect tithes and offerings. Pretty normal.
    2. Osteen's church didn't hand pick flood evacuees to hand said collection plates to. They passed them along to people attending the service.
    3. Osteen's church requested church members donate to the evacuees with those collection plates. They didn't ask the evacuees to donate to themselves.

    Rather than sensationalizing the passing around of collection plates/donation plates itself, her prayer is more deserving of criticism.
     
  17. ferrari77

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    Perhaps those that pervert Christianity into a vehicle for "abject and shallow materialism" and those that engage in internet shame culture are both disgusting. Either way, terrible behaviour.
     
  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I don't agree with the term "disagree" here. It seems we're picking nits. My "sense of decorum" isn't the problem, I don't think.
    Let's keep attacking Osteen and what he is doing, with or without a flood.

    I just wonder if, at present, we don't have much bigger fish to fry. This storm and its devastation have literally affected millions of people. Osteen, we should be happy to say, doesn't affect that many, though he does affect tens of thousands and is worthy of ongoing (in my view) criticism.

    As for shaming, I'll stand by criticizing this modern part of our culture. I'm as guilty as the next. We love to get the moral high ground and shout down at others, often when we're not yet fully informed.

    Cheers.
     
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  19. KingCheetah

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    Listen, I just got my pitchfork out of storage and waxed i'm not about to go put it up.
     
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  20. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    This statement really rings true since you can catch the fish in your living room.
     
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