I don't see politicians, Americans, PACs etc. being formed over the issue of what heritage actually means. It just isn't a relevant issue for most people. Warren hasn't tried to benefit from the claim. My wife and I have both done the 23 and Me DNA testing. We both have less Native American DNA than Warren. Why does it matter that any of has less than the average American?
It does appear that she really, really wanted to emphasize her presumed Native American heritage. Did she think this would help her acquire desired relationships within those groups, or was it just for her own psychological satisfaction? It doesn’t appear that Warren overtly tried to benefit from the claim. She is presumably intelligent enough to understand she’d be rightly ridiculed for that. But between her and the Harvard administration, it seems someone was trying to exploit her claimed heritage.
I can buy that and pretty much agree with it. That being said, it ranks 2,347,894th on the list of important issues.
You don't get to feign outrage about untruth anymore after who and what you have supported over the last two years. It rings hollow. That said, Warren shouldn't have released this video now. It's needlessly sucking up oxygen before the midterms and giving the Morality-Doesn't-Matter-Anymore-Except-When-We-Say-It-Matters-Which-Is-Only-When-A-They're-A-Democrat Police an endorphin rush. Granted, the people who actually think calling her "Pocahontas" is funny were never going to vote for her in the first place, but it keeps everyone else from discussing real issues.
Let's not get off topic. . . . . IT IS TIME TO SEE THOSE TAX RETURNS Rocket River The state requiring Tax Returns will be the Chief reason Trump may not run again
Oh he's running again. He's already set a record for fundraising his reelection campaign, w $100M and two years to go (shudder). Will someone like Sasse primary him? God I hope so, but no person of decency is likely to survive the primary battle.
Having a Trump Republican getting outraged about non-criminal dishonesty and indecency is so cute nowadays. The tax returns will definitely crumble under scrutiny and his jock handlers are scared shitless of "losing", even if it's hiding blatant theft of the American taxpayer. Go Team Orange!
I don't get this. When folks are attacking the right and the right responds with for example "look what Hillary did", the almost universal reply on this board is "oh geez, more whataboutisms". Can we look at each issue in isolation? When trump lies, it's wrong. No doubt. When Warren lies, it is wrong. It appears that everyone has picked sides and their side can do no wrong or must be defended at all costs and vice-versa. I know this is a debate and discussion site, but if we don't judge each event on its merits, it's time to admit we are all full of it.
The issue with the Hillary attack is that she's not even in politics anymore, so it's like attacking a dead person. It would be like Warrior players criticizing moves the Nets made...why? The Nets are irrelevant. Clinton is mostly irrelevant so it really is whataboutisms because no one, left or right, is giving Clinton anymore power. She's a retired politician now. Her relevance is historical. If I concede that Warren lied will you tell me which is worse? What Warren lied about or the multiple...multiple things that Trump has lied about and done? So, it then becomes hypocritical for Trump supporters to care about lying and act like that is why they don't like Warren. They don't like Warren for her politics, that's fine, be honest about it. Why go on about this pointless drivel that will be only but a funny memory after the midterms? Don't act like, as a Trump supporter (not saying you are) that you care so much about lying, if you did, you wouldn't be a Trump supporter.
Crying "whaboutism" is an attempt to deflect accusations of hypocrisy without having to answer to them. They might very well be baseless, but if you don't provide a real defense it allows your accusers to claim they are true. If either of the Clintons was irrelevant, they wouldn't be on tour or staying on top of the news cycle. They are the architects of the Democratic Party's "Third Way" embrace of neo-liberalism and are still very vocal in promoting that as the party's identity, and in defining the kinds of Democrats that rise to leadership roles that no one should feel compelled to support, especially when they have yet to provide an answer to electoral politics in an age of populist backlash. If they truly went away, US politics would move on, and they clearly aren't ready for them to. Siding with one irrational cult of personality over another is not something anyone should feel compelled to support, either. I would like to see Trump's taxes too, but he has nothing to gain by doing it. Transparency isn't exactly a deal-breaking demand from his base to vote for him again.
Nope lets see them returns he want's everyone else to show proof it's his turn to show the tax returns or STFU about what others are saying.
Yes, I think trump has lied. No, I don't like when any politician lies, but it seems like it now comes with the position.
I get that. But, I think in a different context, someone lying about their racial heritage would enflame many of us on this board. I'm not sure why she gets a pass but for partisanship or maybe it is admiration for other accomplishments. Either way, I agree it is a bad look heading into the midterms and she should have avoided it.
What you are mentioning is what I've said pretty much, that she is historically relevant...the same way Bush is historically relevant, or Reagan. That they have affected history can't be denied. That they are still in the news cycle is no surprise to anyone, they are popular people, but the Democratic party is turning away from Hillary as the GOP party has turned away from Bush. She is not more relevant than current democratic leaders, so when you attack her about whataboutism is you have to understand...she's unpopular among Democrats. So I think it's odd, it would be like attacking Bush, most conservatives would shrug and say "I didn't like Bush anyways" and move on. So that's why I feel like the whataboutism is lame when you bring up Clinton. She lost the election, she won't be running again in a major election, she's just out there...making the most of what is left of her power and career. I think the weight of lies matters. What is actually being lied about more than that a politician lied. That a country has WMDs for instance is a huge lie with a lot of weight to it. With Warren, I don't feel that it is a lie, it sounds like she believed it, her parents told her, and she rolled with it. That she has Native ancestry is still technically true, she shouldn't have made a big deal about it, dropped it, ignored it, she could have played it better, certainly. But I think a year from now no one will care about this. Whether she runs for president or is on the ticket as VP, I don't see anyone refusing to vote for her because of this. I think there are many who refuse to vote for Trump because they feel he mistreats women, therefore, his comments and behavior with pornstars, holds a lot more weight. You have to ask yourself this question, do you think any liberal or moderate will break from Warren because of this? That's really all that matters. Men lie, women lie, everyone tells lies. It's more about the magnitude of the lie. Lying to your wife about cutting the grass on Sunday is something that wouldn't likely destroy a marriage...lying to her about a side piece...well..I think you get the point!
Republicans rolling over on the Orange One is a stark 180 from the days they were so rabidly gung ho on impeaching Clinton for lying about cheating on his wife.
I'm not sure she actually lied. I think she believed the story her mother and aunts and family told her and didn't have a reason not to. I agree that she played on her belief and exploited it. I'm not saying that to excuse her exploiting it just that she didn't actually lie. I give her a pass and would definitely support her as president because of her accomplishments in the Senate. I love the way she sticks up for the consumer and doesn't let the wealthy CEO's off the hook. I believe she would actually look after the welfare of all Americans even if they aren't huge donors or the top 1%. Her work in the Senate illustrates that.
1. Clintons need to sit down somewhere. . . . . they are poison at this point 2. This is still about Trump's Taxes Rocket River
related https://www.thefacultylounge.org/2018/10/eleanor-roosevelts-tax-returns.html article being discussed is at https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...00263a.pdf/eleanor_roosevelts_tax_returns.pdf
