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It was mathematically impossible for Bush to win the 2004 election, but he stole it again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by da1, Oct 29, 2013.

  1. da1

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    At 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on Election Day, I checked the sportsbook odds in Las Vegas and via the offshore bookmakers to see the odds as of that moment on the Presidential election. John Kerry was a two-to-one favorite. You can look it up.

    People who have lived in the sports world as I have, bettors in particular, have a feel for what I am about to say about this: these people are extremely scientific in their assessments. These people understand which information to trust and which indicators to consult in determining where to place a dividing line to influence bets, and they are not in the business of being completely wrong. Oddsmakers consulted exit polling and knew what it meant and acknowledged in their oddsmaking at that moment that John Kerry was winning the election.

    And he most certainly was, at least if the votes had been fairly and legally counted. What happened instead was the biggest crime in the history of the nation, and the collective media silence which has followed is the greatest fourth-estate failure ever on our soil.

    Many of the participants in this blog have graduate school educations. It is damned near impossible to go to graduate school in any but the most artistic disciplines without having to learn about the basics of social research and its uncanny accuracy and validity. We know that professionally conceived samples simply do not yield results which vary six, eight, ten points from eventual data returns, thaty's why there are identifiable margins for error. We know that margins for error are valid, and that results have fallen within the error range for every Presidential election for the past fifty years prior to last fall. NEVER have exit polls varied by beyond-error margins in a single state, not since 1948 when this kind of polling began. In this past election it happened in ten states, all of them swing states, all of them in Bush's favor. Coincidence? Of course not.

    Karl Rove isn't capable of conceiving and executing such a grandiose crime? Wake up. They did it. The silence of traditional media on this subject is enough to establish their newfound bankruptcy. The revolution will have to start here. I challenge every other thinker at the Huffington Post: is there any greater imperative than to reverse this crime and reestablish democracy in America? Why the mass silence? Let's go to work with the circumstantial evidence, begin to narrow from the outside in, and find some witnesses who will turn. That's how they cracked Watergate. This is bigger, and I never dreamed I would say that in my baby boomer lifetime.

    --Jim Lampley
     
  2. Major

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    Uhhh, if they were a two-to-one favorite, it means that Bush was essentially given a 33% chance to win by those extremely scientific people. There's nothing surprising that he would win.
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    I'm supposed to believe that Bush rigged the election because the Vegas bookies thought it unlikely he would win?

    And, he hasn't been president for years. I'd say this was great news for Barack Obama, but he's already been elected president as many times as possible.
     
  4. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What were the odds that Wong would get picked off to end game 4? What were the odds that game 3 would end on an obstruction call? Since both those were much greater than 2-1, they must not have happened.
     
  5. Deckard

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    WHERE'S THE LINK!!

    Good grief. Anyone who's been here 5 years, OP, should know to provide the freakin' link.



    Assuming this wasn't conjured out of thin air by the OP, all I can assume is that this Lampley dude lost a lot of money betting on the outcome of the 2004 elections and is bitter. The election that was stolen involved Mr. Bush and Mr. Gore.
     
  6. Do_Not_Be_Alarm

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    So why did he wait 10 years to dig deeper?
     
  7. basso

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    with 1:02 to go in the 4th quarter, the Cowboys had a 99% chance of beating Detroit.
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Any actual evidence?
     
  9. da1

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    Election Staff Convicted in Recount Rig

    By M.R. KROPKO
    The Associated Press
    Wednesday, January 24, 2007; 6:09 PM

    CLEVELAND -- Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough review in Ohio's most populous county.

    Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct of an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure of elections employees to perform their duty.

    Prosecutors accused Maiden and Dreamer of secretly reviewing preselected ballots before a public recount on Dec. 16, 2004. They worked behind closed doors for three days to pick ballots they knew would not cause discrepancies when checked by hand, prosecutors said.

    Defense attorney Roger Synenberg has said the workers were following procedures as they understood them.

    Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the close election and hold on to the White House in 2004.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/24/AR2007012401441.html
     
  10. King1

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    This is beyond pathetic. Is this a village idiot contest of am I missing something here?
     
  11. white lightning

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    There is much evidence to suggest the computer vote totals were manipulated. Just do a google search and there will be dozens of articles. It's over, nothing we can do about it now.
     
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    All I know is that some how, in some way..... it is Obama's fault.
     
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    This is great news for McCain!

    da, where is the mass transit angle to this story? i'm disappoint.
     
  14. Dairy Ashford

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    Nobody stole any elections, whining about this or the electoral college only betrays the complainant's political leanings with respect to the most recent results.
     
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    Of the ballots they hand-picked, would it have flipped the county if they hadn't? If that county had flipped, would it have flipped the state? If the state flipped, would Kerry have won?

    The popular vote was not close.
     
  17. white lightning

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    Yes he would.
     
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    Voter ID law will totally fix voting fraud. Don't worry sheeple.
     
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    If Gore won, we would very likely have a Republican in 2008. Either way, BHO wouldn't be president.
     
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