One thing is common between Houston and Washington. Both have under acheived and need to retool. Houston needs youth size and athletism in the back court and Washington needs a franchise player or two to build around. Caron Butler is a decent player but not a building block Antonio Daniels has been a complete misfit. Here is what I propose: Rockets send the expiring contract of Moochie+Head+NY second rounder to say Atlanta or Bobcats for 6 million trade exception and package it with Wesley and our #1 pick to Washington for Butler and Daniels. Houston upgrades both the gurds position and Washington gets a potential high Ist rounder and trade exception. The Broker team gets Luther Head + NY second rounder for nothing. I appreciate what Head has done as a rookie but you can teach height and our back court really needs some. Yao/Mutombo/ Howard/Swift/Hayes TMac/Anderson Caron Butler/Jon Barry Alston/Antonio Daniels Much better than the current Roster without breaking the bank. Thoughts........
so you want to give up the potential pick that we will have for this horrible season. for caron butler and a backup point guard. hmmm im not sure about that.
Butlers and Daniels are what we lack in the back court and you have to keep the chemistry issue in mind. These guys do not carry any baggage and would be ideal complementary players who would play well within the system.
I cant believe u put swift ahead of Hayes. It should go howard/hayes/baxter/ballboy/chair/towel/swift. Trade Swift, not head. -Lal Salam
Washington got our pick and the TE in your deal. They already are looking at a lotto pick. Maybe they want to keep Butler and just do an expiring for Daniels. I personally want to keep our lotto pick for ourselves. I like your thinking of trading our expirings for a TE, though. That's creative - better than just letting them go for nothing, if we have no other trade partners. Problem is, of course, you have to pay the TE trade partner to take them, so we have to give up Head for a TE that we may or may not use. I'd prefer trading Head and Swift to Atlanta for Harrington. They'll need to trade him at the deadline. They get a nice young player and a power forward - those are things they need. Then I'd try and trade expirings for AD and say, a 2007 pick. I think he'd be a great fit with Tmac, like he was with Jesus. He's just not a fit with Arenas (and who really is). I know his contract is too much and too long so I asked for the future pick, which, I think, will still be nice next year. Hard to make a winner out of Arenas and Jamison vs. real teams. Let them try, though .
I'd love to have Butler on the Rockets, since he brings much-needed size and athleticism to the backcourt. I don't know if we have enough to pry him away from Washington, though
I agree with surrender, we don't seem to have enough for Caron. The only attraction for them seems to be a lottery pick but the Wizards will probably hold on to him.
i always thought caron would fit well as the 3rd option we've longed for. he's not spectacular, but he can play d and he makes quick mid ranged jumpshots. iwouldnt mind going for him, but not at the risk of one of our picks.
you're asking for two of their rotation players (butler being arguably their 2nd most valuable commodity) for crap/washed up/useless pick?
wizards won't be trading butler anytime soon. they just signed him to an extension at the beginning of the season and he is the future w/arenas. if anything, they're trying to get rid of jamison as he doesn't ever pass the ball (then again, neither does arenas). in fact, daniels is the only servicable point guard left on the squad, since they released chucky atkins because he was whining. they can't trade him now because they like to play arenas at 2 guard w/daniels playing the point. jeffries is also a prime candidate to be traded. he's basically just a defender out there--and not particularly effective in that role, since he's too weak to defend the 4 and too slow to defend the three (same as swift).
Wizards are not going any where with this team and have to shake the things up.Yes then would love to dump Jamison and his fat contract but there are not many Isiah Thomas as GM in the NBA. In my proposed deal they will get a potentially high draft pick which could make up for the loss of Butler. Trade exception would allow them to add another piece or two. Moreover they can trade the expiring contract received from us for a servicible player. Add on to there potentially high draft pick and MLE and they can really retool and become a decent team in the east.
well, you're correct about the wizards not going anywhere. i can see them trading daniels or jeffries to the rockets for a draft pick or even a crappy players with an expiring contract, but not butler. regarding the rocket's pick, i think it's only valuable if it's clear that the pick will be high lottery by the trade deadline. for better or worse, i don't see the rockets picking high lottery this year--if anything, mid first round. butler is really their only remaining legacy from the kwame trade. if they unload him for crap, they basically have nothing left to show for a no.1 overall pick. given the dc fan's anger with the franchise (unloading webber, rasheed wallace, ben wallace, rip hamilton, etc.), it's doubtful they'll be making that decision.
I agree that it will be hard for them to give Butler, but looking from the cap flexibility point it will be tempting. They will get roughly 11 million cap space(TE+expiring contract)+ a potential top ten pick. For them is Butler worth it? As far as the fans are concerned they want a winning team and for that some tough decisions will have to be made.
He'd be great for our fast break game. He's not that great but we just need good role players at this point. He's better than Wesley.
Exactly. Caron has a "poison pill" contract. He's one of the Wizards' few bright spots. We won't be seeing him in a Rockets uni (well, stranger things have happened).
I dont think there is any way we can get Caron Butler with what we would be offering. But he absolutely fills the bill as the below level star player "3rd scorer" this team needs to acquire to take it to the next level.
