If we assume these protestors are representative of the general Indonesian population. I'm curious how this Christian was elected in the first place.
It is the exact same. One group doesn't allow insults to their religious text, and the other group doesn't to allow insults to a symbol of their nation. Both are limits to free expression.
Indonesia is not a moderate nation when it comes to religion. It seems that Indonesia is held up as a model of modern Islam just because it isn't Iran. Compare it to model nations in most of the rest of the world and it isn't even close. While it is true that Aceh is the most violent and extreme area in Indonesia (it still practices Sharia Law), it is an area that is a breeding place for Muslim fundamentalism. The Christian minority has seen their churches burned down, there have been mob related events expelling Christians and atheists from the region for years. Often times these mobs that are burning down churches and killing or displacing people are doing so WITHIN the laws of Indonesia. The violence by Islamists in Indonesia is not limited to Christians, they have no problem attacking and killing Buddhists and other faiths as well. The laws are written by Islamists and for Islamists; not for anyone else.
i got to disagree with the comparison here... im about as anti-trump/pro-first amendment as you can get, but there is a bigly huuuuge difference b/t calling to jail someone for burning the american flag and wanting to kill people who mock your religion. we even have posters on this message board who have said it is justifiable to murder someone not just for burning a koran, but even for drawing a picture of mohammad. thats a degree of irrationality and sensitivity that is nowhere close to the anti-first amendment trump crowd.
I just learned the other day that if a woman has a child out of wedlock in Indonesia then the child is declared illegitimate and they will not get a birth certificate.
I don't want to derail the thread by talking about the flag, but I am curious why you think there is a substantive difference between criminalizing Koran-burning versus Flag-burning. Seems to me like the same sort of thinking motivates both viewpoints.
We have a government that protects flag burning. The Islamic govts do not protect burning the Koran or blasphemy. It can vary from a simple punishment to death. I don't know how anyone can even begin to think there is even a slight comparison. I know for some people in the America that their first thought is to be tolerant. That is great and I am the same way, however Islamic societies are highly intolerant of non Islamic practices. I honestly don't understand why people in America are tolerant of practices in Islam that they would reject vehemently if they were under the umbrella of Christianity. I completely understand that we don't want to exclude people based on their upbringing and religion, but Islam for the most part does exactly that. I don't understand tolerance for an intolerant religion. I would be considered an atheist in Islamic society which means I'm ****ed lol. Atheism is viewed as much worse than anything else. Can someone please tell me where I am off base?
What do you mean by tolerate or not tolerate? What does "not tolerate" mean? Get mad? Write a post? What? Seriously.
I think we're misunderstanding each other. I was comparing the viewpoint that flag burning should be made illegal (as Trump recently suggested) to the viewpoint that burning the Koran should be a crime (which is the case in many Islamic countries). I'm saying both are wrong, and I think they're wrong for similar reasons.
Right now we do, but if we followed the plans of the President Elect and criminalized it, then we wouldn't. It isn't the same now, but if the President had his way, it would be in the same realm.
the irony ,he did not insult no body,it was politically motivated accusations just like saying Obama is Muslim to rally the ignorants for certain agenda
