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[Insider] Race for 8th

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by senter, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. senter

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    Welcome to the playoffs for the playoffs.

    The Eastern Conference playoff field has been locked up for weeks, but we can't say the same out West. It's been a competitive four-team race for the eighth and final spot on the Western Conference postseason roster, but we can safely remove the Portland Trail Blazers from that Final Four after they lost to the Utah Jazz on Monday night, their fifth straight L, dropping them to 33-41.

    That leaves the Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers and Jazz to duke it out for the lone vacant seat at the table. Fans of the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets may want to keep their Sharpies locked away for now, but they can pencil in their spot in the field, as Hollinger's Playoff Odds give those two teams each greater than 98 percent odds to punch their ticket.

    Who owns the tiebreakers? Who has the easiest schedule? Is Dwight Howard delusional about his bold prediction? For more on how Hollinger's Playoff Odds work, feel free to check out this page, but we're going to need to go deeper into the numbers to figure out which team -- Mavericks, Lakers or Jazz -- will likely be the last team standing.

    How the Jazz make the playoffs

    Record: 39-36
    Playoff Odds: 56 percent
    Games remaining: 7 (4H/3A)
    Remaining SOS: .535

    Guess what: The standings are lying to you. It may seem like the Jazz have a half-game lead in the standings over the Lakers and a two-game lead over the Mavs, but you should add an extra game to those cushions. Why? Tiebreakers. In the event of a tie, the league rules stipulate that the team with the better head-to-head record in the regular season wins out. In this case, the Jazz have taken two of the three games against both the Lakers and the Mavs this season. Additionally, the Jazz would survive in the event of a three-way tie.

    So, good news for those in Salt Lake City: The Jazz have the inside track to the playoffs, and the Playoff Odds bear this out. In reality, the tiebreakers effectively give the Jazz a 1.5-game cushion over the Lakers and a three-game lead over the Mavs. The bad news? Even with the head start and a current five-game win streak, the Jazz still have their work cut out for them.

    Look at the seven remaining games on the Jazz's schedule. They still have to play the Warriors, the Denver Nuggets, the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Memphis Grizzlies from here on out, and only two of those games are at home (Warriors and Nuggets). Utah's record against those teams? 4-7. The tiebreakers may give the Jazz the inside track, but they'll need to go 5-2 or better the rest of the way to feel safe against the Lakers. Think of it this way: the Jazz essentially have a 2-on-1 fast break, but Jamaal Tinsley and Earl Watson are running it.

    How the Lakers make the playoffs
    Record: 38-36
    Playoff Odds: 40.6 percent
    Games remaining: 8 (6H/2A)
    Remaining SOS: .561

    Howard made headlines recently by opening his mouth (shocking, I know) and delivering a pseudo-prediction that the Lakers "should" win the next eight games to finish the season. Good luck with that. Not helping matters is that Steve Nash is battling issues with his hips and right hamstring, a condition which doctors have diagnosed as "being a 39-year-old NBA player," and remains a game-time decision for Tuesday night's game against one of his former teams, the Mavericks.

    The Nash injury is not a death knell for the Lakers, however. Interestingly enough, the Lakers have done better without Nash this season. According to NBA.com/stats, the Lakers have outscored opponents by 1.4 points per 100 possessions this season with Nash on the court, but that lead widens to 2.0 points every 100 possessions with him on the bench, thanks to a better defensive output. According to the scoreboard, Metta World Peace's season-ending knee surgery may be the bigger deal; World Peace had the best net rating of any Lakers player this season (plus-9.1).

    It may not calm nerves in LakerLand that the Lakers' postseason fate probably rests in the hands of Steve Blake and Jodie Meeks, who has replaced World Peace in the starting lineup. Throw in the fact that Kobe Bryant has been limited with a bone spur in his right heel, and the Lakers look like damaged goods as they limp to the finish line. With six of their next eight games against teams in the playoff picture (Mavericks included), the odds are stacked against them. Better hope opponents rest their stars down the stretch, because anything less than a 6-2 record the rest of the way likely won't cut it.

    How the Mavericks make the playoffs
    Record: 36-37
    Playoff Odds: 6.0 percent
    Games remaining: 9 (4H/5A)
    Remaining SOS: .485

    It's pretty much do-or-die for the Mavs on Tuesday against the Lakers, and the Staples Center playoff atmosphere will be fitting. The Mavericks' playoff hopes are on life support and Dirk Nowitzki and Co. need to win Tuesday's game in order to have any shot of getting that final ticket.

    Here's the uphill climb for the Mavericks: They need to win Tuesday's game and likely need to go 7-1 or better the rest of the way, and then pray that the Jazz collapse down the stretch. Some tiebreaker info: A win over the Lakers would put the head-to-head games at two wins apiece for the first tiebreaker, which would then go to the best Western Conference record for the second tiebreaker (assuming the Jazz fall apart). Even though a Tuesday victory would tie the Lakers in the overall standings, the Mavericks would still trail the Lakers by a half-game in the West. That's the kicker.

    Dallas' upcoming schedule ain't helping. Five of its remaining nine games are on the road, with two back-to-backs (more than the Jazz and Lakers combined). It'll help that the average opponent is a below-.500 team, because the Mavericks will need to run the table (or something close to it) the rest of the way. More last-second heroics from Nowitzki, basically.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130402/nba-race-eighth-western-conference
     
  2. J.R.

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    Time for the Jazz or Mavs to put on their big boy pants and finish the job. ;)

    Too close to call.

    From the article: Jazz: 5-2 or better, Lakers: 6-2 or better, & Mavs: 8-1 or undefeated

    So who is the [likely] last team standing?
     
  3. jank1434

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    If the Mavs don't make it to .500, do they shave all offseason? Or is 0-0 considered .500?
     
  4. A_3PO

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    How does a team go 3-12 and still find themselves in the driver's seat for #8? i understand the Jazz control their own destiny, but they are too shaky and flaky for me. The current 5-game win streak is OK but I don't trust them at all. IMO, the Jazz will stumble down the stretch and are ripe to be overtaken.

    The Lakers are in very deep water. They could be staring at a 3-game losing streak starting tonight. I was ready to pencil them in at #6 until Pau returned and Artest got injured. Now Kobe and Nash are battling injuries. They are a mess but will be in prime position if they go 2-1 the next 3 games.

    The Mavs are the steadiest team of the 3 and they have Rick Carlisle as coach. Their margin for error is tiny but the Jazz and Lakers could both collapse.

    The loser of Mavs/Lakers tonight will have one foot in the grave. It would be great if the Lakers lost. Then we could hope the Grizzlies and Clippers land some blows and finish them off.

    I'm gonna go against Haberstroh's percentages and pick the Mavs over the Jazz and Lakers for #8.
     
  5. kuku

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    Jazz and Lakers are like two great friends deciding who picks up the tab after dinner.

    "Last spot left...you go to the playoffs."

    "No, no...you go to the playoffs."

    "C'mon buddy, you deserve it more!"

    "We got 16 titles already...."
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Jazz 56%
    Mavs 6%
    Lakers 40.6%

    56+6+40.6 = 102.6.

    2.6% chance that either GS or HOU misses the playoffs.
     
  7. da_juice

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    Who do y'all think is the most dangerous 8th seed? I wouldn't want to face the Lakers, but I could see Dallas causing problems too.
     
  8. clippy

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    Dallas most definitely, because if they get there they will be on a big winning streak. And unlike the Lakers they have a legitimate excuse for sucking-- they've been good since Dirk returned and rounded into form (the Lakers have sucked all year regardless of who was in the rotation). Dallas also has a great coach and historically plays the Spurs well.
     
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    One of the preseason favorites to win the Finals, Lakers are fighting tooth and nail for #8 spot. Who wouldve thought of that for a team with $100 million roster?

    Mavs were forecast as #6 seed as they are fighting for their last breath in today's game.

    Warriors and Rockets were forcast to be lottery bound and are almost locked for playoffs.

    Bball God has spoken....loud and clear!
     
  10. LCII

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    Welp, looks like Mavs are virtually out of the playoffs race now..
     
  11. A_3PO

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    Mavs are just about dead now. Lakers are favorites to be #8.
     
  12. BraveFox

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    i dont think so ...they were written off even before however they keep coming back i expect them to fight for playoffs until the last round....
     
  13. merrrlo

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    Well, let's just put it this way. For all intents and purposes, they are 3.5 games behind both Utah and LA (both hold the tiebreaker against Dallas) and they have only 8 games left. So yeah, they'll probably keep fighting but I'd say they're pretty much done...
     
  14. megastahr

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    Lakers are not the favorites.

    Jazz have tie breaker over lakers. Jazz have easier remaining schedule as well. They also have slightly odds of making the playoffs.

    Just sayin.
     
  15. BamBam

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    You better think again, what your saying isn't even considered blind faith.

    They are pretty much done is an understatement, they are playing the
    Nuggets twice and not to mention the Grizzlies on the second night of a
    back-to-back in addition to being 3.5 games back already!

    They ARE done! We will be thinking of you in the playoffs Mr. CubanÖ !

    .........
    .........
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  16. lakersuck

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    The Lakers are just gonna cheat their way to the playoffs. The Jazz have to play flawless to hold on to their spot.
     
  17. BasketballReasons

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    How good would it be if the Lakers absolutely needed a W on there last game against us?

    And that Kobe, doing everything he possibly can, got outplayed by the Bearded-one?

    That game would have a playoff atmosphere. Would love for that to happen.
     
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    remember that jon barry fellow, ex rocket turn traitor, saying we wouldn't even be close to the 8th seed during that bulls v rockets game back in dec? how is that working out,jon?

    Fun to know that 2 of those 3 hated teams are going to miss out. ha, 14th pick. suckas.
     
  19. ROXTXIA

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    It's funny about that article. The 5 'roundtable' dudes? One has a Jazz blog, another has a Lakers blog. When asked who's gonna make it to the playoffs, the homerism runs strong.
     
  20. A_3PO

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    You and I both wish.
     

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