immediate future vs. immediate future immediately.

What be the point in trading Dream for expiring contracts?



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Achebe,

Verrry interrresting. Have you been talking to Doc? Expiring contracts, hmmm. How many draft picks are we talking about here?

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I didn't see your post before clocking one up there which is a little similiar....Sorry,but,hey,I couldn't agree more..you raise some interesting points.Steve is progressing at astounding pace and I would love to have Webber.It is a critical time for us.We are on the verge of being back.

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Actually, considering that there aren't but about 3 really good free agents out there for this upcoming year & they'll all probably cost alot, it would make more business sense to trade Dream for some promising young talent with long term contracts & draft picks that fill the needs we have. I & many others have speculated about acquiring Shareef, Garnett, & other super stars, but the best move would be to stay away from the super stars, because they will tie up your salary for years & limit your moves (ie Washington,Vancouver, Minnesota,Portland & others). We're only a player or two away from being a serious contender. A team like the Clippers are a perfect example. If they can resign their players long term when their contracts are up, they'll have all the pieces in place & will have established great chemistry by that time. The trade they made with Orlando will probably turn out to be a great one (except for the relinquishing of their #1 pick this year). It's my belief that we need to dump Walt/Cato/LOS & unfortunately Dream if we want to accelerate the youth movement. But, what do I know?

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I totally agree with your post achebe. I think the Rockets are much more in need of a C then a SF.

With all of this trade talk about taking SAR and Reeves I thought I'd look at Big Country's numbers. I know some of you don't care about statistics but it's amazing how useless this dude is strictly going by the numbers. I don't really remember seeing him play in the NBA so MAYBE he does something that doesn't appear in the numbers such as intimidation factor (like Calvin and Bill say, Hakeem changes as many shots just through intimidation as he does through rejecting them).

I thought I would compare his numbers versus Mo's since I don't see how we could keep Mo if we take on the salaries of SAR and Country. Anyway Big Country only averages .2 blocks more per game and 1.7 more rebounds per game then that defensive juggernaut we've got in Mo. Plus he's averaged 2 more minutes than Mo for his career. HE'S FREAKING 7 FEET TALL AND HE CANT BLOCK OR REBOUND!!! So much for getting any sort of inside presence from the center position.

If we took on these salaries we'll improve our backcourt, but do we REALLY need to improve that? Is it worth giving up any sort of flexibility just to have SAR in the 3 spot instead of Shandon. Personally I love this lineup with Cat, Steve, and Shandon and I don't see that as our huge problem.

Our frontcourt is getting killed every game. We need to fix that first before we should even bother with acquiring a SF.

If we're gonna trade Dream I'd want them to trade him for an inside presence, like an Otis Thorpe or Kevin Willis type. That's all we need IMO. If we can't trade Dream for that then I say keep him till the end of the season and let him move on if thats what he wants to do.

Capspace would be there and we go after Webber. IMO I don't think we'll get Webber, but it wouldn't hurt to make a run for him.

Now people are afraid we'll turn into the Bulls and have a ton of capspace but no one willing to come to the Rockets. I don't think thats a fair comparison b/c what the hell does Chicago have? They have no one on their team except for Brand, plus free agents know if they signed for Chicago they'd be made out as the second coming of MJ.

In houston we've got a young, talented backcourt, a highly respected coach, nice tax situation, and a big city with a nice community. That's gonna attract someone decent even if it isn't Webber.

One last thing, whenever a player's been shopped around, what team always comes up as a candidate?

Chicago b/c they have capspace. Every year someone's unhappy with their team and they want out of their situation. I know a year ago I had no clue SAR would be on the trade block. A year from now a new guy could want out, and we could then use our capspace to pick him up.

Anyway I apologize if this post is long, I'm just annoyed with how horrible we looked against the Jazz and it's getting kind of late so I ramble when I'm tired.

BIG COUNTRY IS A 7 FT MO TAYLOR THAT CAN'T SCORE WITH A SALARY THAT WILL LOCK US UP FOR YEARS!

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Cato to the Bulls. (Cato + Drew = Chicago's #1 pick THIS year).
6 million off the books for next year.
OR
Mo and/or Los and/or Walt to Detroit for JYD. Detroit has a trade exception to take on up to an additional 4 million. We get their pick or JYD, whose contract expires after this year.
OR
I hate this one. Dream for Bradley, Laettner and maybe a pick. These guys are free agents after the season. Good-bye, fellers.
Any one of these deals will clear you up some space next year.

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Acheche-
I think you are right. However Webber will go where he can win and where he can make the most money.
This being said C-Webb can probably see the way to win is Defense. Sac is finally playing D this year.
With that being said why would anyone come to Houston know we don't play defense. Granted Francis is a good PG, and he may be the best, but Stevie hasn't shown yet that he can make a big man better. So in that regard he is unproven. Francis can break down defenses but he doesn't make the amazing passing of White Chocolate that created layups for Webber. Francis can breakl down defenses but be honest, not many defenders covering C-webb will leave him to help out on Francis.
Also especially if Anderson is gone then who on our roster is even an average defensive player (yeah I know Francis is top 10 or 15 in steals but being aggresive in stealing the ball doesn't make someone a good defensive player). Mobley is horrible on D, none of our forwards are very good or they are too small (KT at PF) to make a difference. Cato does do an excellent job of covering the bench but tough to guard someone from the pine.
So yeah we will have the money, but C-webb will want to win. And you win by defense. We don't play D.

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Alot of people talk about Chris Webber as being the big prize of this summers free agency and I agree. But there is one other big name that could potentially or conditionally be out there. I read over the summer that Rasheed Wallace has a clause in his contract that makes him an automatic free agent if the Blazers win the NBA championship. And the Blazers winning the championship is not that far fetched.

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Not to mention Mark Jackson. Since he began starting he is averaging 18 and 10, and he is only a Rookie....albeit a 25 year old one.

I would rather have him.

DaDakota

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Webber is not better than Duncan.

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Since when were we comparing Webber to Duncan? That's like asking whether I'd prefer to sleep with Anna Kournakova or Sarah Michelle Geller. I wouldn't kick either one of them out of bed!

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SamCassel, if you REALLY think that is even remotely alike, you need to get a life ASAP.



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Webber is better than Duncan.

 

So who else is going to spend their summer glued online reading all of the CWebb speculation.

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The only 7'7" player I wouldn't mind is that Yao Ming. Did anyone read the story about him in ESPN Mag not to long ago. Here's two things you won't here together too often: Good B-Ball player + China. this guy can ball...and he can actually shoot at 7'7, I'm talking 3's. The only questions is whether his chinese team will let him come to the US to play...if so, he'll probably be one of the top picks in a year or two. I think he's only 21 or 22. Trust me, he's no Bradley or Muresan.


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