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Ignoring midrange will kill us

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OTMax, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    I reject this notion. I lose 4 times, one each round I still win.
    as long as it isn't four in a round we will b fine.
     
  2. Mathloom

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    At the moment we're only scoring about as well as the Golden State Warriors btw.

    MDA is a better offensive coach than Steve Kerr. We should not be neck & neck with them. They have vastly superior offensive talent.

    If this new group of players can grow defensively over the course of the season, we will win this thing imo.
     
  3. basketballholic

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    Good ole Sam, King of Sarcasm.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    @DonKnock do the midrange morons form their own line or are they in the doubters line?

    o_O
     
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    So according to Morey's stats, open 2s are less efficient than contested 3s? Interesting.
     
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    Should probably just trade harden for klay
     
  7. heypartner

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    No. Where'd you get that from?
     
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    No real evidence, just guessing, since CP3 and Harden are instructed (I assume) to pass up open 2s.
    I guess the proper phrasing should be open 2s are less efficient than the "chance" of open 3s and layups
     
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  9. heypartner

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    No they aren't. I can cite quotes from MDA saying specifically Harden and CP3 can take any shot they want from midrange. And everyone not named Harden is instructed to not shoot contested 3s.

    Our open threes vs contested verify this.

    Confused why you think the whole league trending to shoot more threes would be based on giving a green light to go ahead and shoot contested ones. It's the systems that are producing more open looks, with a green light to shoot the open ones.
     
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    It depends on the team. Not sure what league average is, but the Warriors shoot 60% on open long 2s which probably leads the league. That’s the equivalent of shooting 40% on 3s. The Rockets are in the high 40s on those shots, which is like shooting between 30 and 33% on 3s.
     
  11. DonKnock

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    They start in the middle of the old line;)
     
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  12. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Moar Midrange Please
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    We are taking midrange shots especially in the flow of missed 3s
     
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    I think its the overall percentage.. a typical team shoots 39-42% from 18-22 feet out.. This is also historically the worst place for drawing fouls... A typical team will shoot 35% from the three point line which equates to shooting 50% from two point line.. There is also a higher probability to draw fouls from 3 point line as they are more contested.. It also opens up driving lanes If you park snipers all across the arc and use your center for pick and roll.. Its a no brainer that the mid range shots are pretty useless..
     
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  14. flipmode

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    Pretty simple concept. It's greatly dumbed down, but it goes like this:

    A 50% midrange shooter can be expected to get you 1 point whenever he shoots, on average. (50% chance * 2 points).
    A 33% 3-pt shooter can be expected to get you 1 point whenever he shoots, on average (33% chance * 3 points).

    In the NBA, there are more guys who can hit 3s at 33% or greater than there are guys who can hit long 2s at 50% or greater.
    The only guys who shoot enough and are good at it are Curry, Durant, Klay, and Turner
    Most other guys shoot under 50%: Middleton, Booker, Melo, LMA, DeRozan, Wiggins, Butler, George.

    Add to that the idea that spacing the floor opens up passing lanes, allows drives, and increases the odds you'll get foul shots... and voila. 17-4.
     
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    Houston Rockets

    Midrange FGA per game:

    2016-17: 7.1
    2017-18: 5.1

    The Rockets are going to smash their own record for fewest midrange shots ever recorded....again

    No team since 1999 has ever averaged under 10 midrange attempts per game but for the Houston Rockets, who have done it 4 times.

    In fact, the only time in the Harden era the Rockets took over 10 long 2's was the disastrously dissappointing 2015-16 season (11 - thought that is still )5th lowest of all time, I think. )
     
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  16. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Moar Midrange Please
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    No you’re wrong. I meant the last couple. Fax man.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    In the last couple of games, the Rockets took 5 and 5 mid range shots, respectively.

    Fax man.
     
  18. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Moar Midrange Please
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    Stop making ish up Sam
     
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    Rockets are getting roughly 7 more open/wide open 3 point looks per game compared to last year. About 3.5 of those 7 more open/wide open 3 point looks are from Harden alone.
     
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