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If you're going to blame McHale you should blame Morey too

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by shortfuse3, Apr 28, 2014.

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  1. shortfuse3

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    Under Morey's moneyball system we needed a coach to be on board with the analytical side of things. Adelman didn't fit the bill, but McHale did.

    Our coach needed to be a Yes man to what the front office wants the team to play like.

    When Van Gundy was here, watching his offense was like pulling teeth out of your mouth. Les blamed him for less ticket sales and creating a boring team.

    Then we got an offensive coach who turned things around in Adelman, but he lacked the defensive philosphy.

    Now McHale gets a lot of front office support because he is on board to what they want to accomplish, free flowing basketball with high percentage shots.

    It is what it is. If we hired, say, Greg Popovich, then this entire front office would need an overhaul. It would be his way or the high way.

    As long as Morey is here it doesn't matter who our coach will be. He'll basically be a Yes man to the front office.
     
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  2. ParsonsBoy

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    McHale can't coach for ****. Its been echoed around lately.
     
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  3. steddinotayto

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    McHale was hired before we traded for Harden and especially before we got Howard. Those two things happen serendipitously for this organization. Otherwise, McHale's starting lineup would have been:

    Jeremy Lin
    Jeremy Lamb
    Chandler Parsons
    Terrence Jones
    Omer Asik

    THAT lineup would have been on par with McHale's coaching skills but we lucked out and got Harden and Howard.

    You can't fire a coach right after you lucked out on talent. After this series' debacle, it's very justifiable to fire him because he's clearly not the right coach for the personnel.
     
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    It's 104 to 102 with 30 seconds in 4th we are up as Portland misses Lin gets the rebound. Mchale says Lin should have called a timeout. Lin turns over the ball Mo Williams hits a three. KEVIN MCHALE WHY IN THE F DID YOU NOT CALL A FREAKIN TIMEOUT???? OH YOU CANT COACH!!!
     
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    It's 104 to 102 with 30 seconds in 4th we are up as Portland misses Lin gets the rebound. Mchale says Lin should have called a timeout. Lin turns over the ball Mo Williams hits a three. KEVIN MCHALE WHY IN THE F DID YOU NOT CALL A FREAKIN TIMEOUT???? OH YEAH YOU CANT COACH... Get this loser out our city.
     
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  6. shortfuse3

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    On this team, you not only need the right coach for the players, but the right coach for the front office.

    The coach needs to be a Yes man to Morey's moneyball system. The veteran coaches like Greg Pop and Rick Adelman would never work here because they have their own established philosophies. That's why Adelman left. He felt pressured to change his coaching style and philosophy.

    A young, palpable, player's coach, is what the front office wants because that kind of coach will be more likely to be a Yes man.

    You have to take the bad with the good. You wanted a Yes man as a coach, well Yes men won't nitpick and coach the team like a veteran, hard-nosed coach would.
     
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    You guys are missing the point. I mean, McHale may or may not be able to "coach", but the point is Morey knew that and still hired him because he was willing to play Morey's style of ball.
     
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    Kevin Martin would have been in place of Jeremy Lamb. And Patrick Patterson.

    Jeremy Lin
    Kevin Martin
    Chandler Parsons
    Patrick Patterson
    Omer Asik
     
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    if you're going to blame maury, then you have to blame Lex too and the Mayor.
     
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  10. wfeebs

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    Can't blame Morey at all. His job is to get talent and in spite of the coaching, this team has an enormous amount of talent.
     
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  11. steddinotayto

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    I doubt Morey would have brought back Martin to eat up capspace. Same for Patterson.
     
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    Of course you blame morey too.
     
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    Blame him for what? Getting Lin?
     
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    Oh, Morey will eat the fruits of those decisions.

    This summer he will have to initiate another coach search. And during the exit interviews he will have to explain to Harden and Howard what the team plans to do moving forward. He will again have to recruit hard for that #3 star. And lastly, figure out how to ship Lin out and pay some amount of that balloon payment.
     
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    Morey has no blame at all? Man you are worse than LOF's. The only GM that do no wrong, and if he did, it's still considered no wrong:rolleyes:
     
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    For letting Adelman walk
    For Trading AB at this year's deadline
    For signing Casspi
    For not trading for Rondo when they had the chance
     
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    Were not gonna blame a guy that got us Harden and Howard
     
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    pretty sure those coaches use analytics. they just have a more active role in how the analytics are used (they call plays and create systems using analytics).

    if more got a pushover coach for this type of play style, then yes, morey needs to reevaluate his ideas. stick to great roster management and passing spreadsheets to the coach. pick a good coach who respects analytics, knows their limits, and let the coach...coach.
     
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  19. BONIERO1576

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    Murray did exactly what his job is suppose to entail, he got the most talented players out of the available pool and did not put us in cap hell in the process. I think most of you are disillusioned because you somehow expected this team to come out fully formed. This is still a process with a young team and relatively inexperienced coach. But all the successful teams have to have continuity, in their roster, in their coaching staff and in their front office. Scrapping everything again and starting over is not going to get us anywhere closer to winning a championship. You have to get punched in the face, you have to make stupid mistakes. Cutting and running now seems to show a total misunderstanding of how you build a winner.
     
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  20. 11Rox4Life3

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    the last 2 are dumb. rondo is a terrible fit on this team. and signing casspi? wtf. he's a minimum bench signing....
     
    #20 11Rox4Life3, Apr 28, 2014
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