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If you can't defend Trump's corruption, attack his critics

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Nov 29, 2019.

  1. adoo

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    during the recent impeachment hearing, Trump apologists---never defending Trump's acts of quid pro quo---were attempting to question the loyalty of some of the witnesses who are naturalized US citizens, w the innuendo that they're not real Americans.

    now, the self-anointed Christian, Evangelist Franklin Graham is saying that

    opposition to Trump is “almost demonic” and amounts to “spiritual warfare.”

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2019/11/has-franklin-graham-gone-off-the-rails/

    Has Franklin Graham Gone Off the Rails?


     
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  2. dachuda86

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    why are your posts formatted

    like this?
     
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  3. Rocketman1981

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    Trump is attempting to benefit as all politicians do. His scrutiny has exposed the entire lot of politicians as sanctimonious
    peddlers of influence fueled by narcissistic self-importance and envy of big wealth. Whether its considered legal or illegal its all immoral and
    for people to point out Trump are pretty unaware of how things work. They had to pass a law in 2012 to tell politicians
    not to make money on insider deals!

    Biden's crackhead son receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for a 'board position' at a Ukrainian Oil company
    which he had no prior experience, the Clinton's getting donations from the Chinese for his legal defense fund and every
    middle eastern dictatorship for tens of millions of dollars a year. (Donations to a family foundation can be used for travel and
    expenses and family members can get a salary!) https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=$5,000,001+to+$10,000,000
    It's all on their website! Obama buying a house and having a big donor simultaneously buy land that the house seller
    needed to simultaneously sell. George Bush using his political connections for business dealings and then Cheney benefiting his old employer Haliburton in Iraq.

    This is how the game is played. To single out Trump is pretty ignorant of the breed of most politicians.

    These people are ALL immoral and monetize their positions. Because of the scrutiny on Trump and the fact that he is already
    rich he probably does less than most though he will find a way to profit when he is out for sure in order to finally be as rich as
    he's been telling people he is!
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Your post is full of misinformation.

    1. Trump is attempting to benefit in a way no other American politician has ever done.
    2. While it is legal for the Clinton family to have a salary from the Clinton Foundation, they don't. They haven't at any point. They don't get a salary from the Clinton Foundation.
    3. There is no evidence Obama did anything at all illegal or even immoral in his purchases. Like other politicians his position did help him sell books.

    4. What Trump has done goes far and beyond anything you just mentioned even if most of what you mentioned wasn't misinformation. I'm sorry, but you are very gullible.
     
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  5. Rocketman1981

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    How has Trump made any real money relative to his net worth from shady dealings?

    What you don't realize is the house deal was HUGE for Obama, Hunter Biden had very little money
    so it was HUGE for him, and Saudi's and Kuwaitis and Chinese donating to the Clinton's so they
    can fly to Davos and stay at the Ritz Carlton is huge for them as they were broke when they left
    office. George Bush and his Texas rangers family connection.

    And you're going to say people staying in hotel rooms or a resort for a billionaire??

    C'mon. I have no doubt Trump would do a lot to get really rich but this stuff barely moves the needle
    for a billionaire compared to the above examples.

    You're hatred has blinded your reason.
     
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  6. Rocketman1981

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    Hell even the vaunted FDR's son got priority in liquor importing rights post the end of prohibition when he went into
    business with Joe Kennedy.

    Your naivete regarding the realities of politicians is really telling.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Trump unlike the Clintons does pay his family a salary with the organization. Trump has visitors and those that want access to the President staying and paying for Trump properties. Trump, unlike all of the other presidents, didn't put his finances in a blind trust. He still runs them with his children. Trump has given favorable diplomatic policies to nations with proposed Trump towers. Trump's business has applied for numerous trademarks in China since he became President (including brothels). Trump has redirected government business to places where the govt. has to pick up the tab and use taxpayer money to stay at Trump properties. This includes military, secret service, cabinet members, assistants, and the whole retinue. Trump nor his family have divested from any of it. No other presidents have done that. Only Trump.
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...do-business-overseas-as-president-slams-biden

    Yes, Hunter Biden benefited from Nepotism. Joe Biden got nothing out of it.

    Nobody is claiming President's have to be broke when they leave office. But not one single American president as done what Trump has done. Those are simply facts, and most of it is documented and easy to research.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasew...eric-and-ivanka-trump-are-worth/#647b6fb675ed

    https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-eric-trump-business.html

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-interest-personal-profits-column/2197263001/
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trum...-big-bucks-from-his-presidency-185014927.html

    Please read them. Do your own research. Try and be better informed.

    I have no problem calling out the Clintons who didn't take a salary from their foundation, but did use contacts from that foundation to make other business gains. That was wrong and I believe it was corrupt even if not illegal. Hunter Biden got the benefit of nepotism. Trump and his children all have made every dime they have had as a benefit of nepotism.

    Yet none of them have done what Trump has done. All of the other presidents divested from their business interests and used blind trusts to avoid conflicts of interest.

    That isn't true because I hate Trump or the media hates Trump. It's true because that's what happened.
     
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    I'm not denying any of that. I don't support any of that. Try again. It is all wrong. It was wrong when they did it. What Trump is doing is worse and is something that NO OTHER PRESIDENT has done.
     
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    And Trump’s family gets administrative jobs... Who else has engaged in this type of nepotism?
     
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    Dem nasty Clintons

    Don't trust anyone with a foundation while in office....
     
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    Don't hate the game. It's a non-partisan game and to say otherwise is silly.
     
  12. Rocketman1981

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    Uhhh... John F Kennedy appointed his younger brother as the Attorney General of the United States of America??

    We love acting so shocked and feigning disgust but literally all that he's being accused of has been done before and
    is politics as usual.
     
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    - Clinton's flat broke leaving office and getting money millions from China, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to their 'foundations' and 'legal defense funds'
    - Biden's cracked out son with no relevant experience and no money getting hundreds of thousands a year from a company tied to a government his father was in charge of US interests as a 'director'.

    Trump: A billionaire with 30+ properties: People stayed at his hotels! Impeach him!!

    I'm not saying Trump is morally right in pushing his cheesy venues, but its par for course and the shock and outrage is pretty silly.
     
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    So it's been over 50 years since we've had this type of nepotism? Plus a whole new level of self dealing? Plus the audacity to communicate with a hostile country during the campaign? Plus abusing the office to get dirt on a political opponent? The man has no patriotism or sense of duty (other to himself).

    Crooked Trump is looking worse than Crooked Hillary and Crooked JFK.
     
  15. B@ffled

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    disagree with Trump looking worse than Hillary. At least so far. Yeah, he's an ass but she was pretty blatant. And she had a soft press that gave her a free pass. My assessment may change in the next few months and I'm looking forward to some sort of resolution because this scandal is dividing the nation.
     
  16. Rocketman1981

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    NEPOTISM:
    Hillary Clinton herself was tasked with fixing healthcare in the 1990's. Who elected her? How is that not nepotism compared with
    Jared and Ivanka (who have forgone their salaries, i.e. making 0 dollars from their jobs.)
    And JFK appointing his younger 35 year old brother with no experience as the ATTORNEY GENERAL of the United States is
    a much much more significant role.

    AGAIN, i'm not defending Trump here I'm just reflecting that everyone is in shock and disbelief when Trump does things
    that are commonplace in Washington.
     
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    I guess the irony of Trump being at least as corrupt as Clinton within a few years of being politician slipped past you.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Legal fees bankrupted Clinton after he stepped out of office.

    One good turn...
     
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  19. FranchiseBlade

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    AGAIN none of those things rises to the level of the Trumps.

    AGAIN none of those things is good except that RFK was a fantastic AG.

    Also for the record Hillary had a lifelong career of public service before she was the first lady, so she did actually have qualifications.

    You should understand that every president prior to Trump divested themselves of their business holdings and set up a blind trust. Hell, Cheney and Haliburton weren't as corrupt.

    Please read some of the many links that have been provided for you. Stop posting stuff that just sounds like an angry old man with no real knowledge of relevant facts.

    You are correct that other politicians have given or received nepotism. You are correct that none of that is good. However, you are incorrect to pretend like any of them previously have rivaled the level Trump has engaged in this. Trump's business career prior to becoming a President was entirely the work of nepotism.

    Trump is MORE involved in nepotism and corruption than the last 6 presidents combined.
     
  20. Rocketman1981

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    So JFK putting his 35 year old brother with no judiciary experience as the Attorney General of the United States
    is not as big of a deal as Trump's daughter and son in law as unpaid "Advisors to the President"?

    Really? REALLY? Wow. I have to completely and utterly disagree. I don't have to read an article from
    GQ to disagree with that assertion.

    If Trump made his brother or Don Jr. the attorney general, your head would explode.

    I think you're hatred is clouding your rationality.
     

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