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If the Rockets had kept Lou Will, Montrezl, & Bev instead of trading for CP3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheRealist137, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. RocketsFido

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    tomorrow on cf: "If the Rockets had signed another all-star instead of paying CP3 $160 mil"
     
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    Our defense improvement was partly because we got rid of players who couldn't defend. We had a 3 guy in Lou, and a 3&D guy in Bev. But with Paul, we had an everything guy - a passer on a level that neither Bev nor Williams really could match. Sure Paul's D isn't at wolverine level, and he's not going to swish as many points - but that's not what we needed. We needed a floor general who could lead - a triple threat hall of fame guy who can pass, shoot, drive, and defend well.

    Would we better with Lou, Bev, and Trez? No. Because 3 very good players do not beat a hall of famer unless you don't have depth behind that Hall-of-famer. Clint and Faried give you most of what Trez gives you (in fact they are better rebounders). We have enough depth with House, Rivers, Green, and Faried that while Trez, Bev and Lou would be an upgrade over those guys they wouldn't be an upgrade over those guys when you include Paul.

    People forget that our best net ratings come with Paul on the floor over ANY OTHER PLAYER.
     
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  3. HorryForThree

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    Montrezl was making 1M a year at the time. Could have easily been Pablo Priggioni, Bobby Brown, etc. if it was just a salary match. I think Montrezl was a player who had showed promise and LAC wanted him legitimately as part of the deal - it was more than a cap match for sure (same goes for Dekker). I would have refused Montrezl - CP3 for Bev, Lou, Dekker and picks with some other cap match guys should have been enough.
     
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    Offense hasn’t never been a problem for the Rockets. The improved defense is what made us real contenders. That’s what CP3 and his leadership brings.

    Gordon Lou Harden were pretty redundant. I liked Lou Will as a Rocket but we just had too many good role players and needed another star.

    Really wanted to keep Trez though.
     
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    In the world of basketball, 3 solid pieces for 1 HOF is not a bad deal. You only have one ball in this game. And more often than not, the key games are determined by these HOF superstars. None of those three players would carry us through a playoff game - but I fully expect CP3 to do that a couple of times this playoff
     
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  6. Rocket River

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    I think what people overlook most about CP3 is his leadership.
    None of the players we traded can come close to that
    They all look to someone else for that leadership
    in Clipper land it is DOC
    In Houston they looked for it in Harden

    But with CP3 - Harden combo
    it is more than 48 minutes of hall of fame point guards
    it is 48 minutes of cerebral leadership and calm

    The Rocket do not get rattled as much as they use too
    A 20 point lead lost is not an automatic loss anymore
    A 20 point deficit is not insurmountable

    That is worth the trade and money

    Rocket River
    The Clippers are Resilent but so are the Rockets
     
  7. Gabe0941

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    I miss Trezz, but that's about it.
     
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    Its key to call thing by its name. History can be misprinted otherwise.

    Bev was getting tired. Lou did not work when paired with EGO and he even aknowledged that on his infamous "Houston, lets pretend this 6 months never happen" tweet.
    Trez started when Capela went down season before the trade and we were good altough his scoring was somehow diminished by aslight downgrade on rim protection and a larger one on rebounding. Still his rapport with Harden was great. Morey is on the record as letting be known he ated to part ways with Trez.

    But even afer these points there are 2 larger points to be noted:
    #1 You had the chance to a superstar for a 6th man, a Starter you discovered on Russia, 1 2nd round still unknown draft pick with potential (trez), and 1 first round pick with uneven performance (Dekker). You do that as long as you are sure CP3 has something in the tank.

    #2 If the whole point is about the combined production, your agument stands on thin ice, Trez and Lou would need Harden to give up the ball more to perform as they are doing right now.

    So, a good nostalgic thread, a bad basketball one; the same thing always happen with this time traveling threads
     
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  9. Toffeeone

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    Sure when you play it on NBA2k19, otherwise stop making things up.
     
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    The team that gets the best player, wins the trade.
     
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    While I was proud of the Clippers defeating GSW at their house, people are getting ahead of themselves.

    Trez is easily at a disadvantage vs a bigger/stronger PF/C.
    Individual defense from Bev doesn't guarantee you a championship at all.
    And Lou Will is a streaky shooter.

    Clippers match up very well to GSW, but you gotta beat more teams than that. And they haven't even beaten them yet, so why're we talking like they can?

    I'll put it this way -- CP means more to the Rockets than Bev, Trez, Lou means to the Clippers. Also, if we had not done the trade, we might not have signed PJ or Luc last season, or Faried this season.
     
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    hindsight posts are always hilarious
     
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    The trade made a statement in house. Present role players are pretty much = to those outgone. It was memorable, posit. And scary related to cap.

    Go Clips. Love Bev. But I’m happy to roll/role with this bunch.

    This summer I hope to keep House in house. If not, who wine next?!!
     
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    It will all be worth it with a championship...


    ...with Capela in the top 6 players of the rotation
     
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    Wait...lets go further back and get Hakeem and Jordan, maybe the Bulls take Sampson for the 3rd pick, if not... I'm sure Portland will, hahah. Get the time machine ready
     
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    Neither priggioni not Brown was on the team so that makes no sense and the clippers wanted Barrel so are you willing to avoid the trade because of Harrel?

    They had to sign guys off the street to match salaries so there were no other guys to match.

    You are making hypotheticals that have no basis in reality.
     
  17. YOLO

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    that guy really said Pablo Priggioni, who hasn't been on the team since 2014 o_O
     
  18. biff17

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    Yeah he really did.:eek:
     
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    Never thought rockets would part ways with ty Lawson back in 2016 before axing Patrick Beverly!
     
  20. Zergling

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    LMAO

    Let's see here: Beverley is injury prone like Paul and way worse of a player, Lou Williams was ass for us in the playoffs and D'Antoni would probably keep Harrell on the bench anyway (just like when he actually was here) since he's not the brightest
     
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