ICE to deport all international college students if their school is doing remote classes?

How dare they

 

damn, hopefully this doesn't lead to a brain drain

 

We're in the middle of a 3.5 year brain drain.

 

Given that the US is one of the worst countries for COVID many of their home countries might not be so willing to allow them back.

 

Stuff like this also shows how that contrary to what people frequently claim that's its only about "illegal" immigration that this administration has always wanted to go after immigration in general.

 

Makes you wonder if those same people are truly dimwitted or are as racist and trashy as the policy giver.

 

PhD students do not even take classes for the majority of their PhD program. How does this make sense?

 

Administratively, this is a bad idea as Universities around the country are still fluid on exactly what's going to happen in the Fall when classes resume. Forget about the philosophy of how many international students should be in the US (as far as debates go, I don't really think this is high up on importance, but can discussed rationally as most things can be). A few here are in the world of academics and I jump in and out of it too, and there's no way I can bet on with certainty what the Fall is going to be like at the institutions I'm involved with. That would totally suck if my ability to stay in the country was so up in the air, based on something so fluid and trivial.

 

Among things that COVID impact, this is important to the maga brand. As for American - “live with it”.

 

Can you think of a better way to attract foreign talent than this? Just think of how many of future silicon valley talents we are going to impress with this policy!

 

Why are they in the country?

 

I can't tell if you're trying to have a serious discussion or if you're just trolling.

Like I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an international student (undergrad/grad/PhD). You sign housing leases, some have scholarships/grants, some pay full (and it's usually a lot more money than in-state tuition and fees), and many work for the universities they attend (grad and PhD students).

So as a someone who's somewhat in the loop with a few universities, I'm getting emails all the time and at this point nothing is settled for the Fall. There's talk of online, hybrid, videos, plexiglass and so on. A lot of teachers, understandably, are concerned about health risks to themselves and others. I'm okay with almost anything because I have hookups for N95s and I'm youngish.

Anyhow, what are you trying to imply? I think international students have a mutually beneficial relationship with the universities they attend, just as we do when we go overseas to study. Some just help with money, others are kick-ass scholars/researchers/teachers. The debate of how many should there be is a legitimate one to have, but this policy has nothing to do with that. This policy is just throwing a monkey wrench into an already messed up situation for universities trying to figure out how to operate during COVID. It's impractical policy.

 

I do not have a problem with priority for schooling going to students that intend to become US citizens.

However it is pretty clear that the administration only wants a very small, select group of immigrants that come from places that have Viking blood.

 

If you've worked at ICE for the past four years, you've probably already taken a look in the mirror and decided, hey, I can live with far worse than deporting smart kids.

 

My wife would say I'm foolishly optimistic, but I don't think anything will come of this. Colleges will pull a little bureaucratic sleight-of-hand so that their classes are not technically "fully online" even if they are for all practical purposes.

 

to study as full time college students at their admitted university, on an approved non-immigrant student visa.

 

Why do 300,000+ US students study in other countries?

 

Do people want to immigrate to US? Absolutely, we have great infrastructure, democratic government, a lot of opportunities in this country.

Does US policy attract immigrants?
Does how hard it is to come and be a legal immigrant in this country mean you get some of the most driven (notice I didn't just say the best or the brightest) people? Is there a selection bias to the talent pool? I think yes to those questions.

I also believe companies and investors that want to hire, partner or invest in those types of people have to have jobs/opportunities in the US to get those talents. The most driven comes because of the opportunities and giving them opportunities gets good results.

If the talents are more available overseas (because they can't come over here), do companies go with second or third tier talent locally or create more opportunities overseas?

I think the latter happens and its not a net positive for us.