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Humans: Unusually Murderous Mammals, Typically Murderous Primates

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  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    @Ziggy
    99ers dropping culture, now we drop science

    It's human nature, we're primates

    You don't have to tell me what would happen if there was no law
    i'm not talking about now, i'm talking about prehistoric man to 5000 years from now

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science...ammals-but-averagely-violent-primates/501935/

    It’s likely that primates are especially violent because we are both territorial and social—two factors that respectively provide motive and opportunity for murder. So it goes for humans. As we moved from small bands to medium-sized tribes to large chiefdoms, our rates of lethal violence increased.

    But once we formed large states, “institutions like the rule of law reduced rates of lethal violence below what one would expect for a mammal with our ancestry and ecology, and below what has been observed in human societies in earlier periods and with simpler forms of social organization,” says Steven Pinker from Harvard University. He argued as much in his book The Better Angels of Our Nature, but says that Gómez’s team have done so “with greater precision, rigor, and depth; I wish this study had been available when I wrote the book.”





    The authors used the fact that closely related species usually show similar rates of interpersonal violence to predict a 2 percent rate of lethal violence among humans. That means that 2 out of every 100 human deaths would be a murder taking into account only our place on the evolutionary tree, and nothing about political pressures, technology or social norms.

    In comparison, among mammals in general just 0.3 percent of deaths are murders. For the common ancestor of primates, the rate is 2.3 percent.

    With 2 percent as a human baseline, we come across as both uncommonly peaceful for primates and uncommonly violent for mammals.
     
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    Please, dear god sweet merciful baby jesus, make the NBA play again so this clown will go back where he came from.

    Amen.
     
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    What's to debate and discuss lol

    Is there a political point that you would like to make from this or something?
     
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    You can put human nature theory on any event. political or not.

    For example, Seattle and CHAZ where there was no rule of law and that humans were as 'free people'
    Of course you know someone is going to get murdered, because there's no consequence

    People will kill each other if you let them

    It's no Yoko Ono and John Lennon song in human history
     
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    God?
    I'm assuming he made the primates, the primates will murder and these primates such as meerkats and lions
    don't vote red or blue
     
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    tinman Contributing Member
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    Yeah , best video game discussion threads there

    This make belief world of Conservative vs Liberal discussion in this dark corner of Clutchfans would
    never impact any murder rates in America, India, or the rest of the world

    because it's human nature to kill
     
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    Humans are about 100,000 years old, and you're stuck in the last 3 decades. We were all there, you're not special, go find a new less annoying shtick.
     
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    tinman Contributing Member
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    Science is not a shtick

    Science and understanding of human history is the only way to solve problems

    For example,

    we have a pandemic . If people understood science more, they wouldn't go eat bats or hang out with 10K people without a vaccine
     
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    Then why are you posting here?

    Discussions won't impact anything directly but our collective political mindsets through the representation of voting is supposed to have an impact in a true democracy. Discussions also impact culture which can then impact murder rates.

    I think a more interesting topic, rather than just posting a tweet about animal/mammals tendency to kill (which is a cool graphic to see) and making some half ass point about something something CHAZ something something human nature is to kill, is to ask why exactly do some parts of the world have such vastly different murder rates than others, why is the murder rate in the US such a statistical anomaly amongst other developed nations, and why would we accept such an anomaly and what can we do to better our country?
     
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    The study shows:

    But once we formed large states, “institutions like the rule of law reduced rates of lethal violence"

    The murder rate in other countries are less because each citizen believes in the rule of law and not anarchy
    Japan's murder rate is much lower than ours
     
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    So you believe murder rates are correlated to a scale of authority/anarchy. So the fix to our high murder rate should be more authoritarianism?

    It could work, certainly, a more authoritarian stance towards gun policy seems to be the norm in most highly developed countries, like Japan, Europe, AU/NZ. I don't believe many other highly developed countries have a more authoritarian stance on law and order than US, we actually seem to be on the high end of that scale amongst our peers.
     
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    good thing we got laws
     
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    Sitting on a lawnchair with a fishing pole...

    Glad I'm not in Louisiana, I'll take Texas...

     
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    It's a belief to quell our primate desire for violence.

    Humans have the extra factor of religion, where all religions mostly preach that you shouldn't kill someone or you will pay the consequences in Hell

    Governments and law should cause you to think about the same consequences but in the current world, not the after life, if it exists.
     
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    I murdered 2 catfish, they're skinned and filleted in the fridge. Now what?

     
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    The study is about murder for the same species

    humans have killed humans, just like other primates do

    this is actually a law that was famously made in a movie which was proven to not work


    @Os Trigonum
     
  18. vlaurelio

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    LOL what happned to science?
     
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    So the guys are going to be on the space station for a while.

    So before they come back we've got plenty of time to all get gorilla suits and horses, yes?
     
  20. tinman

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    I added that it was an 'extra' factor

    the study said , just on evolution alone, 2 percent of the population are murderers

    again,

    I didn't write this article,
    I had no idea Meerkats were so violent to each other
     
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