1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

How to Deal With the Super Team Dilemna

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by glynch, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    7,753
    Likes Received:
    6,437
    Its coming to that!
     
  2. MystikArkitect

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    10,646
    Likes Received:
    15,997
    LOL...RLY?

    Do you really believe that statement? And you know, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady get the same treatment from NFL refs as every other QB in the NFL.
     
  3. 34to11

    34to11 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2008
    Messages:
    3,307
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Yep. And there seems to be a lot of that around here these days.

    Thank You.

    Excellent post Sir.

    We aren't talking about players operating under a system of subjective call making.
    We are talking about teams governed by a set of rules and guideline that are applied equally to all franchises.

    The best way to assure your continuing failure is to blame others for it.
     
  4. coachbadlee

    coachbadlee Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28,042
    Likes Received:
    8,555
    By building a team to counter the "superteams".
    A team full of All-star type role players. A team where anyone of the 5 can go off on any given night. A team that can play decent team defense.
     
  5. 34to11

    34to11 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2008
    Messages:
    3,307
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Sounds a little like the '94 Rockets. ;)
     
  6. youngshev03

    youngshev03 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    Messages:
    497
    Likes Received:
    19
    The only way to fix it is to implement a hard cap and a franchise tag. Until then, the NBA will stay the joke that it is. This is the way Stern wants it though.
     
  7. Dreamin

    Dreamin Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    5,603
    Likes Received:
    63
    Do something in the next CBA.
     
  8. intergalactic

    intergalactic Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    419
    Agree with spaceghost. Contraction is needed. The prob is that the gap between teams is too large so superstars (rightfully so) favor just a few teams.

    Contraction prob won't happen though. The proposed salary cap fixes prob won't happen either. Rockets need to spend some $ on lavishing love on stars (like Cuban does) and on personal relations. We should be able to match miami and dallas in these areas but are behind.

    The owners should have another meeting and kick orlando out of the league. They have decreased the value of every team but LA and Miami.
     
  9. Hottoddie

    Hottoddie Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2000
    Messages:
    3,075
    Likes Received:
    15
    I can't fault the players. Imo, the problem is the owners. They can't control their spending. They make so much money off the extras of winning a Championship, that the Luxury Tax amounts to the loose change in their pockets. The upcoming changes to increase the LT penalty should help some, but I think it should go even further. I believe that whatever amount a team goes over the cap this year should be deducted from next year's team cap. This would have the effect of forcing a team that chooses to go for it all this year to have to start trading or cutting top talent in the next year or two.

    For instance:

    Year 1

    NBA Cap = $50 mill.
    Team Cap = $50 mill.
    Team Salary = $60 mill.
    Over/Under Cap = $10 mill. (Owner's tax $20 mill.)

    Year 2

    NBA Cap = $55 mill.
    Team Cap = $45 mill.
    Team Salary = $65 mill.
    Over/Under Cap = $20 mill. (Owner's tax $40 mill.)

    Year 3

    NBA Cap = $60 mill.
    Team Cap = $40 mill.
    Team Salary = $70 mill.
    Over/Under Cap = $30 mill. (Owner's tax $60 mill.)

    Year 4 - Team let's players walk & dumps salary.

    NBA Cap = $65 mill.
    Team Cap = $35 mill.
    Team Salary = $35 mill.
    Over/Under Cap = $0 (Owner's tax $0)

    Year 5

    NBA Cap = $70 mill.
    Team Cap = $70 mill.
    Team Salary = $70 mill.
    Over/Under Cap = $0 (Owner's tax $0)

    In this scenario, I'm assuming a $5 mill. annual increase in the NBA cap & that the team in question's team salary increases by $5 mill. a year with raises. I ran this one for 5 years to show how big an impact it could have on the team & the owner's pocket book (year 3 = $60 mill.).

    Since the team could start it all over again in year 5, I would go further by increasing the penalty for a sencond offense. In that case, the year 4 team cap reduction of $35 mill. would last for 2 years before they were brought back up to the full NBA cap.

    I would also adjust the tax hit the owner has to pay by increasing the multiple each susequent year. For instance using the example above:

    Year 1 (x2) = $20 mill.
    Year 2 (x3) = $60 mill.
    Year 3 (x4) = $120 mill.
    Year 4 (x5) = etc.

    If this wouldn't force teams to start saying no to loading up on multiple superstars, then it's my opinion that the league is slowly killing itself. But, that's my opinion.
     
    #69 Hottoddie, Aug 12, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2012
  10. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,667
    Likes Received:
    43,183
    Phoenix has pretty good role players.... You can watch them if interested
     
  11. cml750

    cml750 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    3,512
    I agree.
     
  12. imarealballer

    imarealballer Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2012
    Messages:
    542
    Likes Received:
    12
    While the NFL is the undisputed ratings leader, the NBA is now about neck and neck with MLB. As obvious as the corruption and rigging is in every area (draft lottery and officiating in particular, among other aspects of operation we are not necessarily privy to), more people seem to be tuning in (assuming nielsens are valid and they may be, based upon the amount of buzz and discussion about the heat for example).

    It seems the more angered many fans become, the more emotionally tied and involved fans become. Stern has definitely followed Mcmahon's marketing trick: if they think you're the devil, then GO ALONG WITH IT and market the sh-- out of it.

    tldr: the more enraged people become, the stronger of an emotional connection you developed with the league and therefore become more rather than less invested.
     
  13. hahachui

    hahachui Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,244
    Likes Received:
    169

    Cap Space mean nothing to RICH owner
     
  14. leebigez

    leebigez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    15,487
    Likes Received:
    586
    Like I sad earlier,this should be the cry baby thread. Let me ask all those involved in this idiotic discussion, how many time did the rockets exceed the lux tax to help yao and tracy get over the hump? 0. Is this the only way to win a title? No, but when you can take the larger % in a trade, more than likely you will get a better player. Another question, how many times did they spend the full mle on players during yao and mcgrady's prime? 1 time for stro swift. Say what you want,but adding guys for mle money to help your 2 best players is better than splitting it up for 2 guys.

    The howard trade didn't convince me the rockets aren't committed enough, the track record when they had high end players told me so. The spurs avoided this situation because parker and manu turned out to be a lot better than where they were drafted. Part of that is luck and part of it is skill. Look at the mavs ring year or just their dirk era and see what they had supporting their superstar. Terry was making 9m coming off the bench. From a rockets fan perspective and I lost a bet to bima about les and the lux tax,but I don't think les wants to win at all cost. With the rockets,its always a financial backdrop. I mean they let dragic go over 1 yr of guaranteed salary when its clear he's a better player than lin.
     
  15. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,644
    Likes Received:
    10,555
    No max contracts. Guys like Lebron get what they deserve. Hard to build a super team when your top player is getting 40 million bucks.
     
  16. CDave

    CDave Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2012
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    9
    No team deliberately sets out to overpay for their talent. In 3 years the Lakers will have gone from a $100 million in salaries to $30 million with the departure of Nash, Gasol, Bryant and World Peace.

    In the interim they'll pay through the nose in luxury tax. They have an aging team so it's the best trade-off for them whilst still remaining competitive. The other option they have would be to break it up now and start rebuilding.

    You seem to think things would be a lot better if the league took away the first option and as soon as a team reached a state where their stars were aging they'd be forced to dump them all because they couldn't afford to keep them and stay under a cap.

    I'd prefer it this way where a team has to decide to risk putting a lot of money in the pockets of other teams due to the tax against keeping their aging stars and trying to win a championship for another season or two.

    There is no guarantee that either strategy is right or will pay off. No team is going to simply pay an ungodly amount of luxury tax forever. For short durations, yes possibly, but that's the risk their taking.

    It doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
     
  17. gifford1967

    gifford1967 Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    8,031
    Likes Received:
    3,879
    All I know is something needs to be done. For the first time, I'm starting to lose interest because the whole system feels rigged. It's a shame.
     
  18. krnxsnoopy

    krnxsnoopy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,364
    Likes Received:
    814
    We should just force players to sign contracts to small market teams, gangnam style.
     
  19. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    26,367
    Likes Received:
    29,532
    Apparently you didn't check out the SportsNation polls during the playoffs, Mr. Psychologist. The entire nation was basically rooting against Miami.

    But anyway... over the last 30 years, the NBA has the least championship winners of the 4 major sports. Things haven't ever been great for parity in the NBA.
     
  20. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    26,367
    Likes Received:
    29,532
    I don't feel like its rigged as much as I feel like the star players have turned the system upside down. They are able to hamstring their own managers into dumping them to a glamor city.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now