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How to deal with lack of depth ?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by snowconeman22, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. YOLO

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    @DaDakota has been mighty quiet about him
     
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  2. gfab-babyboi

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    PJ Tucker .. 38 min 0 points, you could play IH in his place and get more production
     
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  3. BigBum

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    Tilman has cost saving program,
    Morey has load management program,
    MDA has “unplayable” program.

    they are against each other.
     
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  4. J Sizzle

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    Keep running an old player into the ground with more minutes than he ever should get. What exactly do you expect his production to look like? Should we play Nene 40 minutes too?
     
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  5. RocketsFido

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    Spend more money at Tilman's casinos. :rolleyes:

    It's funny how Morey says we're in "win now" mode for the last 5 years but the new ownership doesn't really represent that.

    To me, Tilman is more concerned about making a profit from his newly owned team than to win anything.

    I've been saying all season that PJ is playing way too many minutes, it's as if we're trying to purposely injure him so we don't have to pay him next year. Now it's actually showing on the court, he's clearly tired from playing so many minutes at his age.

    Morey ever since his HK Tweet has mostly kept quiet instead of speaking to the media but it really feels like he's already one foot out the door at this point. I doubt him and Tilman see eye to eye right now. Expect big changes in the off-season in the organisation.
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Tilman won't spend money on role players so that Morey has to dig them out of those trash cans that the Astros had been banging.
     
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  7. D-rock

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    Roster is unbalanced currently, both forward spots need urgent improvement.

    Some ways Morey has tried to bridge talent gap without assets:

    *Buyout
    *SRP & Cash/TPE
    *Euroleague/CBA

    Otherwise Clint Capela and remaining FRP (package w/other players) are the only other options to upgrade roster this season
     
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  8. withmustard

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    I would like to see Capela out for a few games with a mystery illness to inflate Harty's value. He's averaging all-star numbers in his 2 starts this year(17/13/3.5/70%) and while I expect the numbers to go down, 80% of those numbers can land us a real contributor. As you know, we can't trade any of our guards and our forwards have no value. We may have to package PJ to get fair value, or hope that maybe ATL is willing to part with Collins for IHart.

    It almost reminds me of when Denver had both Jokic and Nurkic. It didn't make sense for them to be that deep at one position. I can see Isiah having a very similar affect on a team the same way Nurkic bolstered the Blazers. Or the Rockets could trade Isiah for a FRP,(like the Nugs did with Nurkic) which would make a second trade easier since picks are more fluid than players.

    I'd hate to sacrifice games with this experiment, but Morey has to pull a rabbit out of his hat somewhere. I feel Isiah's value right now is better than our FRP, and could be our biggest asset if he breaks out. I know it's wishful thinking. I'll be wishing the same thing next year for Clemons.

    The big gamble with Collns, Bertans or Covington is maybe it's not the player, but our system. It doesn't matter who we get at either forward spot, their numbers are going to go down watching our guards take 65 shots a game and throw lobs to Capela. It's frustrating because I'm not really sure what the answer is to making this team a contender.
     
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    We can't. The only feasible chance we add a wing of any consequence is if Morey is able to finesse a trade with Capela and a 1st that somehow brings back a quality wing and center. Otherwise it's the 50% off dump bin like usual.

    Our owner did this, there's no other way to paint it or place blame. D'Antoni is not without fault, but even if he expands his rotation there aren't great options because Morey hasn't been allowed to add any quality players because they cost money.

    This team save for the bearded guy is really not good, and we don't have avenues to do much about it.
     
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  10. ThatBoyNick

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    Eat some shrooms, maybe have a good cry.
     
  11. JW86

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    We have depth, just not the kind MDA likes. Also not his fault to a degree that Morey trades so much that you don't keep a player around long enough to see what he can do and the fact that evaluating and drafting is not Morey's strong suit. Then again, MDA and our coaching staff development of players is not necessarily stellar either. Look at guys contributing for other teams like the Raptors, Thunder the other night, Spurs year in and year out. Those same bench guys would not see the court for MDA and Morey wouldn't trade or draft them. Lack of length and solid defenders aside from 2017-18 has been an issue. We need to get start valuing big guys and defense first guys, then get a defense first coach so we can actually contend.
     
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    No you got it wrong. The CF narrative is that Les wouldn't let Morey Tank ala Hinkie style so that's where the root of all problems lies, 13 years ago. Drink that kool-aid mah boy, Morey will never be held responsible here.
     
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  13. J.R.

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    We got who we got. We just gotta deal with it and push through. We'll be fine.
     
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    We had a near perfect roster at the start of the season. Now with the cutting of Clark there is a hole in the line up. Clark is more than just serviceable, not an all-star but a solid role player, if he was coached instead of systemed.

    Clark is/was a pawn in internal workings of the Rockets. He checked a lot of the boxes the only box he didn’t check was MDA unfortunately that’s the one that mattered the most. BUT.... MDA did used Clark to leverage out Melo proving that Clark is a real player and coach CAN use just about anyone to make his point because he is a wizard of a coach. Developing talent is not a priority for him.
     
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    Brown, Wilson and Connaughton have NBA level size/talent/skill/athleticism. I think as fans we have lost some perspective. Our bench/depth consists of players that are either way past their primes players or that WOULD NOT BE IN THE FREAKING NBA IF IT WEREN'T FOR OUR "SYSTEM". I'll be more specific. BMac and Rivers didn't have a team/out of the league before we signed them. No one wanted House. GS gave him a shot but he couldn't make the roster. Thabo, Chandler, and Nene are just mentors at this stage of thier career's. I liked Clark but he went undrafted because he is a 6'8 center with limited athleticism, and an inconsistent shot. Hart has shown flashes, but I'm not sure that teams would be beating down the door for his services either. He does have NBA size and talent, but he is still raw and very foul prone.

    That's our current depth. Go ahead and fire D'Antoni. I almost want him fired out of spite. Let's play our G Leaguers heavy minutes and even run some plays for House and Thabo. Let's run some sets to free up BMac for some mid range looks. I'm sure that the new coach will be able to improve on our efficiency, and PPP.

    We have one of the worst benches in the NBA and the numbers back that up. But everyone has been hypnotized in only blaming "Dumbtoni". Well I'm not joining in. I see every move or non move that this team has made since 17-18. We ducked every move possible move that could have revamped our 3/4 spots. The right moves could have turned us back into that 17-18 Juggernaut or somewhere close to it.

    I'll be even more specific. Imagine this team with Oubre, JGreen, Temple and Grant. We pissed away our assets and now we have what we have. Give MDA a potential 3/4 rotation of JGreen, and JGrant, Oubre, PJ and Temple. Small ball would look a little different. A version of that front court was possible.

    MDA ain't perfect and maybe he should be fired. But his roster got gutted, and his assistants were fired, and Tilman and his minions are trashing him on social media to further this narrative.

    No offense Vivi. This wasn't aimed at you. I'm just venting/ranting after watching last night's game again this morning.
     
  16. daywalker02

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    Dragan Bender might not be a total bust though, dude is 22 and 7 ft SF....developing a consistent shot is key.
     
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  17. roslolian

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    Benmac? Clemons?

    BenMac's per 36 mins: 15 pts 37% 3 pt TS 59.6%
    Clemons per 36 mins: 21 pts 38% 3 pt TS 59%

    We got dudes on the roster MDA just doesnt want to play them. Morey signed 2 guys William Howard and Michael Frazier you know who those are? I dont cuz MDA doesnt play them.

    How do you know we dont have depth when the coach doesnt play the guys you have? Hartenstein just had the game of his life the other night how does MDA reward him? Oh yeah 3 ppg and back to the dog house.

    Morey doesnt even know what the team needs right now cuz 1/3 of the guys havent seen the court. I said it before MDA is just not the coach you want if you want to win a ring. If he couldnt do it with the most talented team in the time in PHX he sure as hell can't do with James Harden and a bunch of role players.
     
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  18. roslolian

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    MDA had Nash, Amare, Marion, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Jim Jackson and a bunch of other guys couldnt even reach the Finals man. Even when he had the most talented team in the league he couldnt get it done so while a new coach couldnt necessarily do better than MDA I dunno where this argument that MDA could win a ring if he has more depth and talent. He had both in PHX for 8 years couldnt really do anything with it.

    MDA's ceiling is a regular season coach for a team like the Rox before or maybe Atlanta now he is perfect for making a splash and getting team excitement and stuff. But when you actually want to win a ring he can't get you over the hump as we have seen in PHX and Houston.
     
  19. HP3

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    Bro you continue to act like you know what you are talking about.....please stop, your history lessons are just not there.
     
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  20. Rocket River

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    Spot on

    Rocket River
     
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