How much credit Houston is given for Harden (What if Anthony Davis is our star?)

Harden deserves all the credit. Stars make this league. Lebron, Harden, Durant etc. Davis and Harden are not even in the same stratosphere of players. You can dump the ball to him and tell him to create offense. Davis can not. Davis will not win anything being the best player on the team. He would be a great second fiddle to Harden though. There are only two coaches in the league that can make chicken salad out of chicken parts. Those two coaches are Pops and Stevens.

 

Davis could not have been obtained even if Harden was offered. He was the number 1 pick and a big man. Davis has been injured, but he is no KG. He is not tough enough to be an alpha star. James has achieved more than him, despite being a 6 ft 5 inches SG.

 

Davis is miles away from Harden as today in terms of impact on his team, Harden is a true franchise player, he makes everyone around him better, that's why we never missed the playoff since he's here, even when the roster wasn't that good, Davis on the other hand is a super talent (like Harden) but as today he's just not as good, he won't make role players or scrubs like Dorsey and Canaan good enough or playable like Harden does, and his leadership is just not there, to me, never will...in fact, if you watch the Pelicans it's like they're Cousins team lol...he should go to play in a team with a true star accepting the role of second best player on that team, and at this point i'm pretty sure he will if he wants to win, cause he'll never win **** in NOLA, trash organization.

 

The thing is it's the guards' league now.

AD simply doesn't have the same impact as Harden on the offensive side of the ball because he can't (consistently) knock down threes and make his teammates better by virtue of playmaking. As great as AD is, if you think about it it's pretty limited what he can do on that side of the floor. He's still an elite two way player, and that's why sometimes people mention his name in the top 5 discussion, but impact wise elite guards and wing players almost always beat out elite bigs nowadays.

 

Well, Davis had EG and Ryno(albeit not always healthy) and the Pelicans didn't seem to accomplish much with that core. I much prefer having Harden.

 

Davis keeps getting injured, while Harden has been a tank. That in itself is a huge difference, leaving aside impact when they are on the floor.

 

Why not phrase your question like this:

"How much is Harden a product of the Rockets organization compared to the belief that some of Kawaii's growth is from being a product of Spurs development."

btw: I don't believe Kashi is a product of Spurs any more than any superstar is a product of Best in Class upbringing. Just saying, that maybe it would be easier to understand your question if you compare to Spurs, vs the other way around, and compare to a widely-considered shltty organization.

Ppl love to say Pops is a big reason for Kashis improvement.

 

Organization, coach, training staff and all that matters a lot. I think AD has become as good of a player he could become. Im a big fan of AD but he doesn’t have the impact of a guy like harden because he is a big man. When has a big man (C,PF) had a big impact without a star guard lately? Guards can carry franchises, big men can’t imo. Pair Davis with a great guard and he will be a superstar winner. AD on the rockets would kill the Warriors dynasty imo

 

They say it because it is true. If Kawhi was already this talented how come he didn't have a good shot in college? Kawhi spent 2 years in college and only averaged 14 pts on 45% FG against college scrubs, the same scrubs that Beasley, Derrick Favors and Adam Morrisson scored 20+ a night.

Then he goes to the NBA and increases his FG% to 49% in his rookie year. In contrast Morrison had 49% in colpege then plummeted to 37% in the NBA.

If it was all Kawhi how come his %s went up when he went to much tougher competition? Yes Kawhi is a talent in the same way Harden is a talent but I think Spurs also played a major role in his dev. In the same way if Harden had been drafted by the Kings and had been there instead of Cousins I sincerely doubt he would be this good.

 

Based on the type of system that DM wants to implement, we'd still need a HOF pg, to run the show.

 

Houston's lucky to have Harden

not the other way around

 

Another reason why I laugh at the assumption that Kawahi Leonard is better than James Harden.

Kawahi averages less games per year than Davis.

On top of that, Kawahi doesn't hold a candle to James in the offensive category. Not even close.

 

I don't think Houston has developed any 3 point shooters. Almost all of them were already pretty good three point shooters when they joined the rockets.

 

its Pops and the Spurs system

trade Kawhi for AD and Spurs are still good and Pels are still bad

 

Not as good bc Dantoni needs a lead guard for his system to be great.
But Davis with Paul in Dantoni system would be a phenomenal team

 

can Paul sustain elite/efficient PG duties for 30 minutes? and who will his backup be?