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Harden's 4 Turnovers Streak

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. LoLin

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    Well, it took Yao like 2 seasons to turn his butter fingers to iron claws (somewhat), so Asik just needs to practice more while the guards keep feeding him the balls.
     
  2. ashishduh

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    His TOV% is half of his usage rate, it's not that bad considering the amount of times he touches the ball and how often he facilitates.
     
  3. Sports2012

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    Please apply the same standard and formula when people start talking about Lin's TO numbers.
     
  4. rolyat93

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    Wake me up when Lin is averaging 25 points and 5 assists.
     
  5. durvasa

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    Interesting way to look at it, but if you're giving 1 point credit to assists, then you should also subtract 1 point for every assist to him, which is about 30% of his made field goals. It bumps it up a bit -- to 12.4 turnovers per 100 points.

    For Lin, it would come to 18.6 per 100 "points" (i.e. PTS + AST - ASSISTED_FG).

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    Actually, I calculated again using season totals rather than per game stats. Currently, for Harden its 13.6 turnovers for every 100 "points", where by "points" I mean PTS + AST - ASSISTED_FG. Here it is for the whole team:

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    [SIZE="2"][B]Player              G       MPG      PTS      AST     TOV     %Ast     TOVper100pts[/B]
    Omer Asik           45      29.6     10.0     1.0     2.4     0.682    28.3
    Jeremy Lin          45      33.1     12.0     6.0     3.0     0.411    18.5
    Toney Douglas       42      19.2     8.3      2.0     1.3     0.629    15.0
    Chandler Parsons    44      36.2     14.1     3.4     2.0     0.691    14.2
    James Harden        44      38.5     25.9     5.5     4.0     0.296    13.6
    Carlos Delfino      36      25.6     10.7     2.3     1.3     0.748    13.0
    Marcus Morris       44      22.2     8.8      1.0     1.0     0.689    12.9
    Greg Smith          39      14.3     5.6      0.4     0.4     0.709    10.0
    Patrick Patterson   37      25.4     11.0     1.1     1.0     0.758    11.4[/SIZE]
    
    For the team as a whole, we're at 15.7 turnovers per 100 points scored. I imagine that point guards tend to have higher turnover rates by this measure since they're doing more "directing of the offense", so probably the fair thing to do would be to evaluate relative to position / role on the team.
     
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    Honestly. They should just spend a whole day with asik on his hands. Have a guy keep throwing hard difficult passes at him....or just call in AJ 80 to teach him how to catch lol.
     
  7. visible

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    We have the guy JLin who can take presussue off from if give him more trust from coach or from harden.
    But I guess some of you never think Lin is that guy.
     
  8. Sports2012

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    I wonder if Kobe, Durant, Camelo and LeBron James have also got their TO licenses from their fans.
     
  9. teebone21

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    But when we lose due to his turnovers his numbers mean nothing
     
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    This is a harden thread don't bring up lin
     
  11. rolyat93

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    Lin sure got his license to suck from his.
     
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    Agree. Everybody has to take turn to teach him a catch-lesson at least two hour per day from now on.
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Bingo!

    Everyone says - why have a midrange game - 3's and layup's are the way to go. Well, because when they take them away, it means you are either going to turn the ball over or put up a crappy shot.

    Sometimes pulling up and hitting a mid-range shot is the best decision. Both Lin & Harden need to do it more.
     
  14. JeffB

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    Those guys average 3 TO/G for their careers. Last year, Durant averaged 3.76 TO/G.
     
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    Thing is they both have that mid-range game. We've seen it from both of them in spurts. It's a coaching/system thing that they aren't utilizing it more.
     
  16. Sports2012

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    Can't you see all those posts comparing Harden and Lin before mine? I was NOT the first one to mention Lin. And I didn't even say anything to compare Lin with Harden.

    All I said is when people compare them, they should apply the same standards and formula. What's wrong with that?

    I think you are over-reacting to something in your imagination.
     
  17. gorockets2009

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    It's really bad, it is the main reason this team is struggling now.


     
  18. GanjaRocket

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    midrange really is the mark of a more experience, cerebral player...

    Harden and Lin both have it within them. they just have to work on it.


    coaching that in wouldn't hurt, either.
     
  19. RickyNewport

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    What games have been lost due to Harden's turnovers specifically??? Or anyone else's for that matter. Rather win or lose their are many contributing factors.

    But hey, he's 23... He's one of the youngest players on the team and the team goes how he goes. If turnovers are his biggest issue at this stage in his career it's a none issue as far as I'm concern.

    Checked the record, check his stats, he's ballin...
     
  20. D12Eminem

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    Not a bad list! Interesting that they are all even on that list. Very interesting.
     

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