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GSW vs Rox draft comparison

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sun12, Jul 4, 2016.

  1. sun12

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    GSW drafts:

    2009: #7 Curry
    2010: #6 Ekpe Udoh
    2011: #11 Klay Thompson, #44 Charles Jenkins
    2012: #7 Harrison Barnes, #30 Festus Ezeli, #35 Draymond Green, #52 Ognjen Kuzmic

    Their current core are from draft picks, it is either they pick well, or they have a GREAT organization with bringing up players. None of their picks is even top 5.

    Houston drafts:
    2009: no picks

    2010: #14 Patrick Patterson
    drafts after Houston, #18 Erick Bledsoe, #33 Hassan Whiteside

    2011: #14 Marcus Morris, #23 Nikola Mirotic, #38 Chandler Parsons
    drafts after Houston, #15 Kawhi Leonard, #17 Iman Shumpert, #24 Reggie Jackson, #30 Jimmy Butler

    2012: #12 Jeremy Lamb, #16 Royce White, #18 Terrence Jones
    drafts after Houston, #20 Evan Fournier, #30 Festus Ezeli, #35 Draymond Green

    Houston has 1 player left on the team, Terrence Jones, I am not sure he is the core.

    And think about it, in 2011, Houston could draft Kawhi Leonard, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, and that could be the core.

    From 2009-2012, Rox can't draft a single starter, to say Rox is weak in draft is an understatement.
     
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  2. sun12

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    Draft picks are cheap as well.

    I do not want to talk about trades. Nobody will trade you their top dog. Harden is not a two-way players, that's apparently part of the reason OKC traded Harden.

    If you look at the top teams, they are all built with draft picks, and supplemented with FA and trades.

    OKC, SAS, even Cavaliers.
     
  3. crash5179

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    So what your saying is that Houston has never picked as high as Golden State did when you drafted their core. Gotcha.
     
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    In 2011, Houston could draft Kawhi Leonard, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, and that could be the core.

    If a team cannot get a starter from 4 years of draft, the team got some issues.
     
  5. Aruba77

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    I think hindsight is 20/20 and we've done well to get value in the late 1st and 2nd round during Morey's tenure. But we've neglected the draft; we've traded away picks, and we've made some draft mistakes. Mostly I don't like the fact that we've never been bold and moved up in the draft or traded away proven talent for a chance to be better through the draft. Very rarely have we trades up to grab someone we thought had a chance to be special. But these are the decisions that separate teams like GS from Houston. We're chasing free agents and trades while they were building their team. And while that philosophy certainly kept us competitive (perennially at the 14th pick), look now what GS has to show for building a team the right way.
     
  6. wadero

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    I think what he is trying to say is part of building a championship team is drafting players that stick and you don't do trades every year and get the reputation that if you sign a deal with Houston you can guarantee Morey will deal you before your deal is up.
     
  7. RedNation

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    Yea and the Warriors could have drafted Paul George and Andre Drummond instead of Udoh and Barnes. Might as well point out drafted players after the Warriors picks if you'll do it for Houston picks.
     
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    not everyday you get Curry, Thompson and Green with #6, #11, #35

    Those aren't even top 5 picks, These things happen once a life time in the NBA
     
  9. DaonlyLA

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    Curry Injury happend and the rest is History.. he signed a terrible deal but he had too..
     
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    How many other teams passed on them as well. Drafts are never a guaranteed thing and it's probably one of the most difficult things to predict unless you can draft a Lebron/ Durant type player.
     
  11. donkeypunch

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    Lost in all of this, is gs's coaching and development. Green is not the green we know if not for kerr and staff to utilize everything he is at this moment. klay and curry still get their shots up but not as open without great coaching. Morey is a bad drafter along with a bad basketball mind with the thinking that coaching doesnt matter.
     
  12. SkareKrow

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    At least in the draft the team has more control. Free Agency the player has control and, if he is leaving his current team, going to get a massive raise. Every season its "Who wouldnt want to play here? Harden top 5. We have Dream to help teach. Houston is beautiful. "

    Bosh said no, twice
    Melo said no, once to bein traded here and once as a FA
    LMA said no
    Horford said no
    Durant said no
    D12 didnt want to get traded here, but after a year of MDA, he left

    Id rather lose in the first round with developing youth opposed to losing with overpaid B level Free Agents.
     
  13. Ubiquitin

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    Amen.
     
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    Basically this. To defend Morey I think he meant that coaching is largely the same unless you get really good coaches and there are few of those, maybe 5. Although head coaching gets a lot of press, the entire staff from top to bottom probably plays a huge role in player development.

    But I agree, curry, green, klay, Butler, kawhi, etc would not be nearly as good if they played for the kings or rockets. All those guys weren't for sure coming out the draft.

    Most were mid major players, undersized, couldn't shoot (green, kawhi), etc. Props to those organizations for turning them into studs.
     
  15. Nook

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    AGAIN....those players were not drafted by the same GM. They fired the GM that drafted Curry and Thompson. The same front office that drafted Green also drafted Barnes and named Mark Jackson as their head coach.

    A lot of luck is involved and timing. Myers deserves credit, but if he were the GM in NY or Detroit, no one would be kissing his ass. The same goes for Kerr.
     
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  16. Aruba77

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    Jerry West was influential from 2011 onward. Klay was his pick btw
     
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    OP's hindsight involves binoculars and telescopes.
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  18. Nook

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    You are really dense.

    Harden was a good defender with the Thunder, he usually guarded the other teams best offensive player. He wasn't kept because ownership didn't want to pay the tax and the Thunder believed they needed a center more than another guard.

    Steph Curry isn't a two way player, when he has to guard his man straight up and the rotation is off he gets exposed badly. We saw it in the playoffs.

    Daryl Morey wanted to rebuild through the draft and wasn't able to do so. Having said that the current champions were not built through the draft.... The Heat that won multiple championships were not built through the draft... The Lakers that won titles were not built through the draft... Even the KG Celtics were not built through the draft.
     
  19. tinman

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    didn't parsons start?
     
  20. Nook

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    Jerry West is the second greatest executive in basketball history... but he isn't the GM and wasn't when Klay was drafted. The pick was made when Larry Riley was GM.

    West was added to the executive board in April of 2011... The draft was 2 months later.

    Jerry West was an exceptional hire... And probably the second best executive in NBA history... He is 78; he won't be doing this much longer. I hope people appreciate that he is one of the 2-3 most important figures in NBA history.
     
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