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Government backdoor access

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jul 27, 2019.

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Should Americans accept security risk to allow law enforcement backdoor access?

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  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    U.S. attorney general William Barr has said consumers should accept the risks that encryption backdoors pose to their personal cybersecurity to ensure law enforcement can access encrypted communications.
     
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  2. RayRay10

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    Good god, no.
     
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  3. dachuda86

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    They will hack you regardless. The idea of encryption is a myth to get you to send incriminating data without trying to hide it.
     
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  4. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    The US gov isn’t allowed to hack you - that’s currently against the law. But law enforcement that has a legitimate reason to look at your encrypted data cannot today, and they wanted these large companies (WhatsApp or FB, Apple, Microsoft, ...) to provide a hidden secret backdoor that they can use to de-encrypt the data. These companies know that as soon as they do this, people will no longer trust the encryption and so they will not. The gov would not be asking for this if they have a way in today. They do not.

    The “hacking” you might be thinking about are ways to trick the system or people to give up key/password to decrypt the data. They still need the key to get in. Decrypting encrypted data is not possible - well, not exactly but it’s impractical today or anytime, until some unexpected breakthrough in computing power.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    No thanks, read a book about this once...
     
  6. adoo

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    you need to crawl out of your cave

    for the education of the under-informed one;

    FBI–Apple encryption dispute
    In 2015 and 2016, Apple Inc. received and objected to or challenged at least 11 orders issued by United States district courts under the All Writs Act of 1789. the most publicized one was related to the iphone used by the San Bernardino, CA terrorist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute
     
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    Back doors are NOT secrets!


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  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I am pretty sure the new tax law gave the government backdoor access to me, or it sure felt that way in early April.
     
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    as long as the law enforcement that's involved is all Democratic deep-staters, I say yes, why not? I'd trust them with my LIFE. :cool:
     
  10. dachuda86

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    You're an idiot if you buy that the govt can't hack it or find a way into a phone like that. These people are going through GREAT lengths to show their "weakness." Sorry but this little horse and pony show doesn't have me convinced. What I do know is that these people are a step ahead of you in tech and it's their job to be. They wouldn't publicize their weakness if they didn't want everyone to think encryption was safe. No, sorry, it's not that simple. They have ways to get into anything that is digital. BTW they got into the iphone, so what was the point of it? There are teenage hackers who could probably have figured that out.... data isn't just magically protected because they danced around in the public complaining to apple about it. The only benefit of showing the gov't's fake weakness, was it served to reassure people about sending sensitive data after all the doubt out there from Edward Snowden leaking that they were scooping up all kinds of data.

    Anything you made digital can be accessed.They want people to be asleep on this.
     
  11. adoo

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    under-informed ones such as dachuda86 are unable to provide facts / eg
     
  12. adoo

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    under-informed ones such as dachuda86 are unable to provide facts / eg;


    just convenient blankets suppositions upon convenient blanket suppositions​
     
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    I'm definitely not a computer scientist or engineer. Just a mere mechanical engineer, but what exactly is your understanding of encryption to be so confident in your claims?

    I vaguely understand the very surface layer basics such as RSA algorithms which relies on the difficulty of factoring really large numbers. The length of time it would take to brute force such an algorithim such as a 200 digit public key using RSA would take approximately 3.17*10^86 years to crack using brute force assuming a computer can try 1 million combinations per second. Seems like something only a theoretical quantum computer could tackle in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe you are suggesting that the US government has secret ground breaking fully functional quantum computing abilities?

    I just want you to be more nuanced here and explain your premise with more detail.
     
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  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    HELL NO !!!

    DD
     
  15. Amiga

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    The FBI broke the 4 pin login password for the Iphone5c, not encryption. 4 pin password is fairly easy to break.
     
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    Republican Bottoms Receptive To Backdoor Access
     
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  17. dachuda86

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    It's not some far out concept that the govt can access your data. Dunno why that's hard for you to accept.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    You specifically made the claim that encryption is a farce and the government has means to crack encryption algorithms given that they don't have 3.7*10^86 years.
     
  19. adoo

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    yet ur unable and unwilling to provide fact or egs
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    A better way to word it is the government can't prosecute you over compromised data.

    The concern shouldn't be about secret back doors or compromised complex algorithms.

    The concern should be about these tech companies literally sitting side by side with the government using the same server farms and computing power to crunch the same data. Both have the same motivation; control and manipulation. Why does the government need massive server farms to duplicate the same process when the corporations will hand it over to them.
     

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