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Give the credit where it is due--about Yao and Game 1

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rfila, Apr 22, 2007.

  1. doublehh03

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    and this is why our team is better than 2 yrs ago. if tmac shot that bad for a half, it would be a big deficit.

    yao should get the credit b/c he has taken his game to the superstar level. we have better speed on the perimeter for defense. and our role players should be better.

    so again, tmac doesn't have to carry the load as much and that's a good thing.
     
  2. ToothYanker

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    This thread needs to be locked. We need both Yao and TMac to win but somehow along the way, some whiny little fruit of a YOF got offended and had to start this divisive thread cuz his obsession - someone he lives vicariously through, didn't get enough recognition.

    News Flash: Yao is expected to perform this way nowadays. Take it as a compliment that people aren't more excited. Yao is just THAT dominant.

    Once again, this thread needs to be locked for stupidity. We don't need this kind of divisiveness, especially after a WIN.
     
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  3. metalshred

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    I agree with u, there r many factors that our team has become better, and now Yao has the capability of taking off a big part of the load T mac had to carry. I guess that's why t mac feels they have a shot this time. Cuz t mac never had anyone who could do as much as Yao does to his team, who can would like to share the basketball with not only t mac but everyone else in the team. Yao is a great player, so is t mac, they r a big part of the reason we won today, give credits to no specific player, give credits to the Rox all, including JVG, and the fans.
     
  4. doublehh03

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    the only complaints i have about yao is he gets stripped so easily. though i understand his upper body is not that strong, it looks weird to have such a big guy losing the ball so easily.

    and improve his pick and roll D is good. seems like our D was on another level when yao went out. smalls like hayes and howard prevented the pick and roll D.

    o well, yao's points are undeniable :D . that makes up for his weaknesses :D
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    This is one of those threads that a negative star rating would be good.

    Look the Rox won a tough game and both Yao and T-Mac played great. Why the need to manufacture a conflict in the team that doesn't exist?
     
  6. Blue Brick

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    why do we always have to start thread like this after every game? :confused:
    They are both important, we'd be doomed without either.
     
  7. naturalized

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    We won. That' all that matters. EVeryone was having a bad game offensively in the 1st half, including Yao (excluding his FT)

    Let's move on to MOnday.

    Go Rocks!
     
  8. doublehh03

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    tmac played a great half. but really, he didn't play that great of a game for many reasons.

    1) the offense didn't run mch through him in the 2nd half and he should ask for more of a load when he's hot. only 11 shots???

    2) he needs to rebound better. no excuse for a 6-8 guy only w/ 4 boards. he needs to go in there and help the others out b/c utah is a great rebounding team

    3) he didn't have his scoring/passing on at the same time. he only had 2 assist in the 2nd half.

    tmac can play much much better.

    4) he DID NOT DRIVE YET. hopefully we'll devise a plan to free tmac up and put him in spots where he can take only 1-2 dribbles and get to the rack
     
  9. TECH

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    I agree. Yao relies on others on the offensive end, to get him the ball, and make their shots, so he isn't playing 3 on 1 in the post.
    Tracy is our best playmaker, second best ball handler, the only guy that can create his own shot (Yao can if he gets the ball) and the guy that MUST be guarded on the perimeter, as he's really the only threat we have to drive the paint and actually do something with the ball (which is a weakness we have on the team). The only time Tracy deserves some criticism is when he isn't aggressive enough, OR shoots too much when he's not making anything.

    Yao makes Tmac's job easier by keeping the triple teams away, as does Tracy take pressure off of Yao. Yao is our most efficient scorer, best free-throw shooter, defensive anchor, who does make his teammates better, which is anybody who benefits from their defender sagging close to Yao in the post.

    Tracy can't do it alone, which is why he forced a trade to Houston. Yao can't do it alone. They need each other, they like each other, they play well together, and they don't bicker like a bunch of insecure babies trying to get mommies attention, unlike some of the posters on this board.

    Go Rox, winning is everything.
     
  10. laughdog

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    my 2 cents about why T-Mac is always positively correlated to the team's performance ---

    We need to play 100% to win a game, with each of T-mac and Yao contributing 50%. Yao seems more consistent and always contributes his part. On the other hand, T-mac is relatively less consistent, so when he does his 50%, the two of them make 100% and we win the game, and he play sub par, we are less than 100% and lose the game.

    I think that probably explains why the team seems to be relying more on T-Mac -- because Yao is a given ......
     
  11. doublehh03

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    this is not a 2 man team. even the lakeres w/ kobe/shaq were not a 2 man team. they're not 50/50 to a team's success.

    they're more like 40/40 w/ the role players 20%.

    and again, the reason tmac should get credit is he allows the role players to usually play up to the 20% w/ his passing. he got 5 assists in the first quarter alone. tmac's maturity allows him to recognize when he's off and should focus on his other parts until he gets it together.

    w/ yao, we just need him for scoring on the offensive end and pass back out when he can't get a shot. we don't depend on yao to make plays for others. when we pass to yao, we want him to shoot b/c any shot yao takes is a good shot. but we don't depend for him to create plays for others, just for himself. even JVG has acknowledged this.

    tmac not only has to worry about getting his, he has to make sure he makes sure yao gets his fair of touches, but also create plays for others. that's why tmac is a guy we haven't shown we can't win without. he's crucial beyond his points.
     
  12. laughdog

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    I agree. A center is usually not a playmaker, so it is crucial for T-Mac to contribute his 40% or 50%, including making his teammates better ...... Don't get me wrong, I think they are equally important --- as always, Yao keeps us in the game and it's usually T-mac who closes out ......
     
  13. MandM's

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    THEY NEED EACH OTHER TO WIN BIG.

    Period.

    Kobe is finding out how hard it is to be the best without a CONSISTENT big man presence. Even though he scores 50 a game...not a dominant team.

    Shaq is still winning because ouside scoring doesn't have to come from 1 guy...it can come from a few.

    BUT...THEY WERE BEST WHEN THEY WERE TOGETHER.

    The problem the Rockets have is additional personnel play. Yao will have big nights and disappear occassionally. T-Mac will do the same (probably more often and dramatically) BUT the determining factor on whether they win big or not is going to be determined by someone else stepping up and helping.

    That is the issue. Tmac and Yao will do their thing and get their credit.

    Yes Yao was consistent this game which was huge in keeping us in the game. T-mac turned it around and was big also. He is going to have to show up earlier if the Rockets want to last.
     
  14. roxfan123

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    Right. I even believe Tmac is more important to the current team than Yao. But I do agree with OP. Some posters here go WAY overboard to credit Tmac for this win and neglect Yao and others. A sole praise to Tmac IS unfair.
     
  15. doublehh03

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    don't worry. u won't see that half ever again. he was too tight man. too pumped up (as u saw by the interviews). now the jitters are gone. we won a game. tmac wil be back to normal.

    tmac can play much much much better. i think he needs to get 7-8 rebounds for us to outrebound the jazz.
     
  16. Storm Surge

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    the truth is that when T-Mac is rolling everything just seems to click for us, he is able to get to any spot on the floor and our offense is just better. McGrady can shoot, pass, or get fouled.

    When Yao is rolling all our team does is pass it to Yao and let him isolate, and only when a double team comes he will pass out of it. Our offense becomes very stagnant as a result.

    Some of this might be JVG's fault for not running plays with Yao as the distributor, though.
     
  17. Champ06

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    Eh? He is hot and unstoppable in the 2nd half. Why should McGrady give up shooting opportunity to others who I believe were still cold, maybe except Yao?
     
  18. ruddy

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    Hey TMAC-OF How do you dare to say that TMAC was the only and main reason of this WIN??????????? Now I know why you has been downgraded :D :D :D ;) :p :D :eek: :cool: to rookie.... LOL
     
  19. doublehh03

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    he only took 11 shots. so should have time to pass right? ;)
     
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    when a dog is barking at you, what would you do? barking back? :confused:
     

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