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Giannis Antetokounmpo Is Not The Best Player In The World

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ghettocheeze, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. roslolian

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    Nah James Harden is the best player in the NBA,nobody else can have their team 5th in the West with no 2-4 best players out. Lebron couldn't do it, Giannis couldn't do it and KD most certainly couldn't do it, GSW has a losing record when Steph is out. Harden's only knock is he didn't play defense well he fixed that this year.

    After Harden though I will gladly give it to Giannis, Bucks are a 1 star team the rest of their guys are role players but Giannis powered that team to no 1 in the league. He can't shoot 3s but he can shoot mid range Js, thats the difference between him and Simmons thats why he is so much better than Simmons or other athletic beasts in the past like Igguadala or Shawn Marion. Giannis has a chance to be the next Lebron if he just improves his shot.
     
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    If KD was that good how come GSW has a losing record when Steph is out? Curry missed 11 games this season and Warriors went 5-6 in that span.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...den-state-warriors-injury-return-season-recap

    Oh yeah, KD is so unguardable he can't have 0.500 record with Steph out. Waaah, Waah, Waah Klay Thompson, Iggy and Draymond are not enough he needs the best shooter in NBA history to help him win SMH.

    You should be ashamed even thinking the cupcake snake is anywhere close to being the best player. Give Harden 4 all star teammates I bet his efficiency will skyrocket too.
     
  3. rockets1995

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    The Milwaukee Bucks Game is coming up, James Harden needs to healthy and ballin in that game to get those MVP Votes. The Voters need to tune in for that game. The Rockets had a big lead and blew the last game. The whole team needs to play all out, Kenneth Faried needs to start and guard Giannis. Hopefully Faried will be healthy.
     
  4. Vivi

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    Durant is the best player with/after Lebron bla bla...same old story, dude always played with at least two all stars, had to play with three on the best team ever to win, no way in hell he's the best player in the nba when he couldn't even make it to the second round by himself, but that's just another one of those narratives that will never go away i guess.

    As for Giannis i don't think he's the best player in the nba, but even if he still can't shoot, for me people underestimate how much influence he has on a game on both ends by just being out there, he's a unique player.
     
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  5. malakas

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    When they sag off him too much, unless it's a very elite rim protector (Gobert, Whiteside) or someone who is an expert in taking charges, he just gets a headstart and drives to the rim with even more force. He can sidestep defenders while he drives. And if he is completely unguarded he shoots 3s, at 40%+ rate this month.
    I mean it's not like he has never been in the playoffs with defences "prepared" to counter him. The Raptors and the Celtics the last two years tried to sag off him in the playoffs with double and triple teams waiting near the rim, and they accomplished nothing in stopping him. He was scoring at a higher rate than even in the RS. I have absolutely no worries that they can do better this year against him.

    Anyway I don't like these tags because the circumstances can never be equal between those players. Health, teammates, coaching..Who is better in a vacuum or not it's difficult to judge. All I know is that THIS season the best player is one between Harden and Antetokounmpo.
     
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    Anyone who says Giannis dont have a case for best in the game rn dont know what he is talking about. His physical tools alone make him unguardable and guy can dribble,pass and shoot respectably from midrange.
     
  7. Reeko

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    u lose all credibility when u bring up Russ in a top 5 player discussion.

    Russ’s penchant for triple doubles is just as impressive as Harden’s 30 point streak, a streak in which he averaged an efficient 41 ppg and brought the Rockets from near the bottom of the West all the way up to the 5th seed? In what world. Westbrook’s triple doubles aren’t impressive. So many of those little 20 point triple doubles come on like 6-18 shooting. His teammates let him grab all those boards. PG has easily been better than Russ this season, so are u gonna tell me that OKC has 2 top 5 players now?

    Russ in December: 19 ppg on 39/26/61 shooting splits...45% TS

    Russ in January: 23 ppg on 40/27/70 shooting splits...48% TS

    Russ is having 1 of the least efficient, high usage, scoring seasons of all time...oh, but dem triple doubles doh...PG been carrying his ass

    How is KD the most impactful when GS morphs into an average team once Steph is out? Harden is more impactful than KD, KD just wins more because he’s always had way more help.
     
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    I wouldn't risk it against a Siakam/Ibaka frontcourt but I get what you're saying.
     
  9. vlaurelio

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    Celtics with Giannis or Harden or KD instead if Kyrie??
     
  10. hieuytran

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    Put Giannis on the Rockets instead of Harden, would the Rockets have the record we have with all the injuries that we had? He can't carry a team like Harden can.

    Don't get me wrong, Giannis is a great player but he is NOT the MVP
     
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    The same Kevin Durant that took OKC to the finals in the western conference at 23yrs old? KD's finals stats:

    30pts on 54%fg and 3pt 39%

    That was against Lebron's Miami team w/ 3 superstars. So don't give me that crap about guys having stacked teams. Durant has been putting up great numbers before GS
     
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  12. roslolian

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    That was years ago LBJ was the greatest player in the NBA back then.

    You are trying to argue KD is the best NOW. And look the facts speak for themselves if KD is the best now how come GSW has a losing record without Steph? You say Miami is stacked with Lebron and 2 all stars but KD also has 2 all stars in Draymond and Klay...even has Iggy who was a multi allstar a few years ago. So GSW without Steph is just as stacked as Miami before but Miami won a ring and GSW was 5-6. KD isn't even the best player on his own team lol.

    Cupcake Snake too soft and slimy to be the best player in the league.
     
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    Rockets fans keep feeling offended whenever Giannis is brought up to be better than Harden. The main argument is that Harden is dragging a mediocre team to a what? 35-25 record.

    Look at the Bucks. After Giannis, their best players are Middleton, Brogden, and Bledsoe. Are they that much more talented than our supporting cast? And they are leading the league in NRtg by a wide margin, even after factoring in the SoS. (Before someone points out that they are in the East, please note that they are 15-6 against Western teams, a .714 winning percentage, while the Rockets are .583.) If that's not as least as impressive as Harden's feat, I don't know what is.
     
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    Yes when our supporting cast is injured. Harden had two players picked up on waivers and a G league undrafted player just get thrown into the fire. Yet we actually made up ground in the playoffs standings.
     
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    You keep bringing up silly hypotheticals lol. Bottom line is KD's a FAR better offensive player & significantly better on defense. He's also a better closer. The advantage Lebron always had was playing in the east. Now that that's over, he CLEARLY isn't the same player. Also must I remind you our little back & forth this offseason about the Lebron, you stated the Lakers will be a contender, and I told you that the Lakers wouldn't even be a threat. Now more than halfway through the season you're still arguing the same talking points about Lebron's greatness, while the Lakers continue 2 SUCK lol. Kobe took Smush Parker, Kwame Brown & Chris Mihm to the playoffs, no more excuses for Lebron now
     
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    Do u think Giannis would have the Rockets at 35-25 if he was here under the exact same circumstances that Harden had deal with? I certainly don’t, and I have no doubt Milwaukee would still be the 1 seed in the East with Harden.

    Coach Bud came in and changed the way they play. His impact on that team can not be understated at all.
     
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  17. s3ts

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    Brogdan was ROTY, and Bledsoe is underrated guard who never made the all-stars because he was on bad teams and there are way too many good players in the West.

    EG can compare a bit to Bledsoe, so I can give you that. But Brogdan, the way he's been playing, has been superb.
     
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  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    He is a cupcake snake but you're misinterpreting it, the dude doesn't care about the regular season. KD was their finals MVP for a reason. He averaged insane numbers during the playoffs. He carried OKC in the west to the #1 seed without RW at a historic level of efficiency that hadn't been seen at the time. Like I said, he's on my top 5 all time hate list but the guy has been the best player in the world or tied for the last 3-4 years
     
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    he can't shoot .

    Let me say this again---the man can't shoot. He gets 80% of his buckets in the paint. He's not Shaq, he can be stopped when teams decide to clog it
     
  20. bmelo

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    When did basketball turn into 1vs5 sport? How you wanna clog up paint on a fastbreak after great defense? And if i was bucks coach i would more than welcome clogin up the paint in halfcourt. Let 3pt specialists take open 3s - because they actually are good at it unlike our ‚shooters’. Giannis puts enourmous pressure on the defensive schemes while having ability to pass out of double teams and given his work ethic its scary what he might become in couple of years from now
     
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