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Gerrit Cole - Yay or Nay?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by cwebbster, May 23, 2017.

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Is he worth it?

  1. Yay

    45 vote(s)
    86.5%
  2. Nay

    7 vote(s)
    13.5%
  1. cwebbster

    cwebbster Contributing Member

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    #1 cwebbster, May 23, 2017
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  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Hard to agree or disagree without knowing who the Astros give up.
     
  3. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    I don't get it.. is he worth what?

    He's worth acquiring. We've heard zero rumors on cost, and you didn't propose anything here.. so I can't respond
     
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  4. Astrodome

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    If it is the 2 names in the article, Martes and Paulino, then OK pull the trigger.
     
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  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yep. But that is just lazy "journalism". He just highlighted the 2 pitchers the Astros have in the top 50 prospects. Didn't mention Tucker or 3 other players in positions 51-100.
     
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  6. Fyreball

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    Short answer YES, with a but......

    Long answer NO, with an if.....
     
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  7. bloodwings19

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    Proven starter over unproven starter. We should know by now of Appel, somewhat Josh Hader.
     
  8. BigM

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    I don't see how we can get Cole without giving up Tucker. Or even Tucker and Martes. If Tucker isn't in the trade then a big fat yes, otherwise I'd have to see the proposal.
     
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  9. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

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    Yes please!
     
  10. Snake Diggit

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    If Tucker isn't part of the deal then to me it's a no-brainer that Cole is worth acquiring; he's a ToR SP with additional years of control remaining.

    If Tucker is part of the deal (which I assume is a requirement from Pittsburgh), then it depends on which other prospects are involved. If it were just Tucker and 1 other of the top tier (Martes, Musgrove, Fisher, Paulino, F Perez, Whitley) I think I could live with that. Anymore than that and it becomes a pretty questionable trade.
     
  11. raining threes

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    If it's Martes/Paulino/Reed/Fisher then yes.

    It it's Tucker/Paulino/Martes then I want Cole and Watson.
     
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  12. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    I already think people vastly overrate Watson. But even if you think he's the same player he was 2 years ago pre-Melancon trade, to say Watson is worth the upgrade from Reed/Fisher to Tucker?? No way. Certainly not on a team with a very good bullpen already. Watson would slot in as the best lefty and the ~4th best RP in the pen, probably tied with Harris. Trade lesser prospects for a guy who's just as good vs. lefties for 1 out or in the 6th/7th.
     
  13. jim1961

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    If writers are going to prey on teams that on paper might/could consider a rebuild, and therefore possibly dump top talent, teams like San Diego (13 gms out) or Miami (11 gms out) make more sense than the 5.5 gms out Pirates.
     
  14. HTM

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    Maybe Keuchel, McCullers and McHugh/Morton is good enough... it would be great to add another frontline starter though... Keuchel, Cole, McCullers, McHugh/Morton would be strong.
     
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  15. MrBear1

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    Our bullpen is sick, don't really need Watson
     
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  16. ApolloRLB

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    Brad Hand?
     
  17. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    Apparently Hand is getting a ton of interest. I'd definitely check in...the rumors are making it seem like the price will be higher than you might expect.
     
  18. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Don't know their relievers that well, but among position players, Ozuna might be a nice catch.
     
  19. panamamyers

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    He would be the one I would focus on. I might bring up Fisher first and see what he can do out there for 6 weeks, then move on to ozuna if Fisher is not getting it done.
     
  20. mick fry

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    Sipp sick or Devo sick? Just want to know the severity of our illness.
     
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