Future of employement and wages

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  1. Brown Lost It

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    you assume that of all billionaires?

    bill gates is the perfect example. he cares about the issue but wont point out the obvious elephant in the room. instead he thinks population is the issue.
     
  2. NateNate

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    They is a comin.... no tipping baby!!

     
  3. pirc1

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    Remember Data in next generation? He must have sucked if he couldn't beat humans in poker.



    How about some firepower?



    AI dominate best human player in go, once thought decades away (as recent as five years ago).



    Dr Watson?

     
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  4. da_juice

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    It's going to increasingly become a have and have nots system. Populist blowback is only going to get worse worldwide; but if it subsides then having language skills and such will be the only non stem careers really left.

    A good book from the 90s is Jihad v. McWorld. It essentially predicted a lot of the problems we have now.
     
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    I'm not even sure how long language skills will be that useful. Google translate gets better every day, and it's not hard to imagine a literal babelfish earpiece.
     
  6. Phillyrocket

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    Brav ****ing o clap clap great post.

    The solution is job sharing imho. I work 40 hours today in the future me and Bob do the same job at 20 hours each. We receive reduced wages sure and basic income covers the difference. More leisure time family time less stress less commuting etc. where does the money come from?

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/02/apples-cash-hoard-swells-to-record-256-8-billion.html

    Time for trickle down to actually come to fruition.
     
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  7. Rox11

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    For the talk about giving us more time to do hobbies, it is true, but what will happen to the people who still have to work? People who computers cannot fill their jobs? Will they demand double or triple the cost for their services?

    Will governments slowly start to pick off jobs that can be done away with? The people who no longer have to work will ether have all the time to stay healthy or become couch potatoes they have always been.
     
  8. pgabriel

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    More contract work

    That allows more flexibility for employers

    I think one benefit for workers is netter workers will be able to command more in compensation
     
  9. Shroopy2

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    That to me is the key to shaping future human civilization and occupations. Its how much do WE VALUE our OWN human-to-human connections, and what kinda compensation we can squeeze out of that.

    [Long winded from there] I think the human conceit of "IQ above All" is the main downfall. We're rightfully supposed to NOT let human ego think we're the ONLY thing that matters. But then we're to be so humbled to where we DONT matter at all, so let cyber nannying take our place. (Which actually might be truest form of a misanthrope "regressive left'ism")

    Like, people DONT like human interaction with the mouth-breathers behind the register, they like the self checkout to avoid contact and to reaffirm their superior existence. Maybe should ask how much REALLY are those supposed low form humans TRULY getting in your way. Is human flaw THAT disadvantageous in low skilled work AND the high skilled work where WE are asking for the robot replacements, or letting Silicone Valley shove it down our throats?

    Machines NOW can ALREADY outdo humans. We already have non-human performers in cgi, animation, sprites in our entertainment. 1-2 animators can put out a product, dont need a 100 man team. Machines can pitch faster, throw farther than humans, can hit harder, run & jump better. And of course process quicker, think smarter. But we dont support that cuz its not relatable. Again that connection and interaction is key. Are we really SO adamant to FULLY replace ourselves that we want a snacks drone in place of beer/peanuts guy at the stadiums? Thats where its just plain overthinking sh**.

    Agree though that it wont be the jobs we're accustomed today. The future jobs WILL be MEAGER, bunch of "busy work" for scraps, symbolic roles just to say we're doing something. It probably will be more peanuts guy "jobs", a few STEM people and convenient sex workers Idiocracy style. And yeah the attrition period where human presence is reduced will be rooouugh AF, there's just no getting around it. Options will be limited, excess shed
     
  10. don grahamleone

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    Clean energy creation should be huge in the future. If you enjoy doing that sort of thing, go for it OP. But do something you like and you'll never feel like you're working. So my suggestion is that you try lots of different employment and stay with what you love.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    I think we'll have AI embedded in our bodies or in a way that makes phones today look like those Zack Morris brick phones in the 90s. They'll be our personal helpers where we ask them to run different possibilities, plan personal events, and even come up with a way to talk or game other people. It might seem like one AI, but it's more like several services or packages probably run by tech giants the way cable companies run different channels.

    People with the upper hand will likely have to learn how to train their AI like they do a pet or plant, and this will eventually coincide with physical or genetic augmentation, like tailored drugs to reduce anxiety while boosting cognitive learning and thinking or different ways to make your body look damn good in a virtual selfie.

    There's some Facebook exec that wants to make us telepathic like the way it is in Ghost in the Shell. That would be the next meta in networking. On one hand, it could reduce the loneliness and separation found in society, but it also verges on the slippery slope of losing our own individuality, where we more or less become even more pronounced cogs in the machine.

    With all of this talk of physical augmentation and learning machines comes this dilemma: sure, you have the ability to become a smarter and more efficient partner to your AI. You could eventually learn kung fu in your sleep. But with Moore's law setting the pace of progress, does it matter? You could just put a For Rent sign in your brain for anyone else who needs those spare cycles, while you watch your stories, post selfies and raise 5 broodling in the trailer park.

    Let's all Make the Machine Great Again, shall we?

    Yeah, it's never been about saving the earth, but more like saving our grossly wasteful way of life while 2-5 times the amount of people around the world join the party. It'll be an immense challenge for another billion people rise up to the middle class. It's not just global warming. The oceans are dying and turning into a even bigger chemical soup, while plant and animal species are dying at rates as if a giant meteor hit us.

    Just like how customers liked their Harleys rumble as obnoxious as possible, people don't buy electric cars because it doesn't go vroom vroom and feel big and exciting. That kind of primal marketing is ingrained in our principles of freedom, liberty, and choice, but the root of the problem, which we will definitely need AI and technology to solve, is how to get everyone to enjoy that level of prosperity or freedom while the earth shrinks in every conceivable way.

    This is pretty much our future until A) we self domesticate ourselves for another 500-2000 years, B) we accelerate the process through Singularity-like ways, or C) solve, by choice or force, the "real estate problem" by drastically reducing the demand.

    I don't think our current society is sustainable for A. That thought looms over everyone in the form of existential dread seeping into politics (no faith in ANYTHING) and pop culture (zombie apocalypse themes to prepare us for unknown doomsday scenarios and hero/messiah themes to empower another to deliver us from our own mess).

    On the bright side, having a billion more empowered minds should give us a better chance at solving the current problems of society.
     
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    Does anyone think the Government is doing a good job with our money?

    78% say they don't. I know liberals want better stuff, but our money has failed to achieve this over and over again.
     
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    Morey putting @justtxyank on blast



    Also... imminent! Morey trolling CF confirmed.
     
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    You mean Elon musk on blast
     
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    Per Trey Rodriguez, justtxyank = Elon Musk.
     
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    Oh if only he could be right just this one time lol
     
  17. pirc1

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    No one knows what the future holds for certain, but my guess is most people would not like their life style in 20-30 years. We will see if Morey is correct soon enough.
     
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    The late Carl Sagans prediction in mid 90s
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    What predictions?
     
  20. ghettocheeze

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    I for one am not scared of this future.

    Our economy is artificially propped up by unhealthy of levels of consumption. What are robots going to produce when there are fewer and fewer consumers for those products?

    We are already witnessing millennials reject the gluttonous consumption lifestyle of their parents with their frugality and resourcefulness. How many industries already blame millennials for their declining sales?

    Yes, this is will be a painful market correction, but it will also be for the greater good. People will buy less stuff, but the things they do buy will be more useful and sustainable for the environment and our natural resources.

    Again, to understand this you have to put it into perspective. Americans have been living with a false sense of entitlement since before WWII with the adage “a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." It has become part of the national ethos as the so-called American Dream. That list has continued to grow into all sorts of necessities Americans now feel is their birthright.

    This relationship is being redefined every day. millennials continue to challenge the notion of what is a good living standard. In the future, they may define it less in terms of purchasing power and more in terms of sustainable contributions. Therefore, the idea that economic hardship will be a unbearable struggle is false. Instead, it will be an opportunity for people to reexamine their lifestyle and make changes that reflect the realities of the new economy.
     
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