Former Astros Tracking Thread

Vince Velaquez, let's see if he doesn't break down. It's only 2 starts vs bad teams. Last year, with the Astros Vince pitch great, but then got inured!

 

I hope it doesn't turn into Curt Schilling 2.0. It hurts more with the slow start to the season.

 

I know the Padres are beyond terrible on offense but ouch. Wow.

 

I don't think he was injured last year, i believe we did not use him much as a reliever at the end of the season.

Now, i liked what i saw from him last year.

 

The thing is i believed we could had used VV the same way Toronto used Osuna last year and this year for that matter. We did not need Giles when you have VV who can be a set up man, until a spot in the rotation gets open.

VV is good, he has very good stuff.

 

The deal with VV is injuries. VV has a history of injuries. IIRC the Phillies ask the Astros for more in the trade, after getting back VV's physical results.

 

Yeah, Padres & Mets are 2 of the worst offenses in baseball, we'll see. Hope he continues to do well, everyone pretty much agreed that if he can stay healthy he's going to be quite good.

 

In the other hand, Joe Musgrove hasn't allowed any type of run after 2 starts! Hopefully he pans out as a pretty good starting pitcher. Astros need some starting pitching prospects. Pretty sure they will draft a few in the 2016 MLB Draft. Ferrell maybe th Astros future closer with in a year, specially with the debacle Ken Giles has been.

 

Yep. If he stays healthy, it probably will be a very bad deal for the Astros. That said, the Astros likely don't think he will be healthy. The last two notable pitchers that the Astros had injury concerns went down pretty quick.

 

Luhnow's track record when trading prospects for big leaguers looks pretty poor so far. Kazmir, Gomez, Gattis, Giles...none of them have had the desired impact, and taken as a whole the prospects shipped out have excelled.

The 1st Lowrie trade and the 1st Fowler trade turned out ok, but damn it hurts seeing all these other teams with former Astros farmhands either at the top of their prospect lists or kicking ass in the majors.

Luhnow also has a growing list of letting value walk out the door, as Villar and Carter are off to hot starts possibly setting up next to JD Martinez and Delino DeShields as good players pretty much just cut loose.

 

That's what happens when you draft and develop talent successfully like this regime has. You can't keep everyone and you aren't going to get every decision right.

 

Meh...

Vilar had no real position in Houston. He has drawn 5 walks early, but other than that, nothing great. Same with Santana. He has been okay, but not great.

No one wanted Carter back, the Astros have far better internal option. Carter was terrible last year.

Delino DeShields is "okay", but again wouldn't be getting at bats in Houston, and isn't very good in the field.

Vince Velasquez is the one that may really end up hurting. Just keep in mind that yesterday was the first time he went over 7 innings in his entire life. He wont go more than 100 innings this season before he is shutdown. It will be a few years before he can go 200 innings, and that is assuming he doesn't get hurt in the interim and continues to be effective.

 

Hated to see Vince go, I think him and Hader both will become stars

Kazmir
Nottingham- Off to a slow start in AA but power is real with this guy.

Gomez
Hader- Strong start to the season in AA, I actually think he'll end up being the top guy in this trade
Houser- Not too worried about him, but he still has upside and made it to the majors last year
Phillips- Hated seeing him traded, he's off to a good start in AA. Not sure if his power is for real or if he's just a 10-15 hr type guy. Still projects as a solid starter.
Santana- If he cuts down on the strikeouts, he could be a star.

Giles
Appel- I think he just needed a fresh start somewhere, don't think he'll ever live up to 1-1, but he might not be as big of a bust as we thought he'd be
Velasquez- This was my favorite guy in the system for the past few years, really hated to see him go.

 

****. ****. And more ****!

It was all downhill after trading for Hank Conger.

Spoiler

December 8, 2011: Traded Marco Duarte to the Boston Red Sox for Marwin Gonzalez
December 14, 2011: Traded Mark Melancon to the Boston Red Sox for Jed Lowrie and Kyle Weiland
March 20, 2012: Traded Jason Bourgeois and Humberto Quintero to the Kansas City Royals for D'Andre Toney and Kevin Chapman
May 26, 2012: Traded Justin Ruggiano to the Miami Marlins for Jobduan Morales
July 4, 2012: Traded Carlos Lee to the Miami Marlins for Matt Dominguez and Rob Rasmussen
July 20, 2012: Traded David Carpenter, J.A. Happ and Brandon Lyon to the Toronto Blue Jays for Kevin Comer, Joseph Musgrove, Francisco Cordero, Ben Francisco, Carlos Perez, David Rollins and Asher Wojciechowski
July 21, 2012: Traded Brett Myers and cash to the Chicago White Sox for Chris Devenski, Matt Heidenreich and Blair Walters
July 24, 2012: Traded Wandy Rodriguez to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Colton Cain, Robbie Grossman and Rudy Owens
July 29, 2012: Traded Chris Johnson to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Bobby Borchering and Marc Krauss
August 3, 2012: Traded future considerations to the Boston Red Sox for Garrett Mock
August 9, 2012: Traded cash considerations to the St. Louis Cardinals for Tyler Greene
August 27, 2012: Traded Steve Pearce to the New York Yankees for cash considerations
August 31, 2012: Traded Ben Francisco to the Tampa Bay Rays for Theron Geith
December 4, 2012: Traded Jose Monzon and Wilton Lopez to the Colorado Rockies for Alex Gillingham and Alex White
December 19, 2012: Traded Rob Rasmussen to the Los Angeles Dodgers for John Ely
February 4, 2013: Traded Jed Lowrie and Fernando Rodriguez to the Oakland Athletics for Chris Carter, Brad Peacock and Max Stassi
March 25, 2013: Traded Mike Kvasnicka to the Minnesota Twins for Gonzalo Sanudo
April 4, 2013: Traded Jake Goebbert to the Oakland Athletics for Travis Blackley
April 15, 2013: Traded C Chris Wallace to the Cleveland Indians for Eric Berger
June 18, 2013: Traded Fernando Martinez to the New York Yankees for Charles Basford
July 2, 2013: Traded two international bonus slots to the Chicago Cubs for Ronald Torreyes
July 29, 2013: Traded Jose Veras to the Detroit Tigers for Danry Vasquez and David Paulino
July 31, 2013: Traded Justin Maxwell to the Kansas City Royals for Kyle Smith
July 31, 2013: Traded Bud Norris to the Baltimore Orioles for Josh Hader, L.J. Hoes and Derek Fisher
August 12, 2013: Traded Wesley Wright to the Tampa Bay Rays for cash considerations
August 14, 2013: Traded Travis Blackley to the Texas Rangers for cash considerations
August 18, 2013: Traded cash considerations to the Diablos Rojos del Mexico for Japhet Amador and Leo Heras
September 3, 2013: Traded cash considerations to the Atlanta Braves for Matt Pagnozzi
December 3, 2013: Traded Brandon Barnes and Jordan Lyles to the Colorado Rockies for Dexter Fowler
December 11, 2013: Traded Patrick Schuster to the San Diego Padres for Anthony Bass
December 18, 2013: Traded Ryan Jackson to the San Diego Padres for Jesus Guzman
April 28, 2014: Traded Lucas Harrell to the Arizona Diamondbacks for PTBNL
May 19, 2014: Traded Raul Valdes to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash considerations
June 12, 2014: Traded Adron Chambers to the Toronto Blue Jays for Will Dupont and Alejandro Solarte
July 3, 2014: Traded Andrew Robinson to the Atlanta Braves for Jared Cruz
July 7, 2014: Traded Alex Sogard to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Cesar Carrasco
July 10, 2014: Traded Bobby Doran to the Chicago White Sox for Jeffry Santos
July 31, 2014: Traded Austin Wates, Jarred Cosart and Enrique Hernandez to the Miami Marlins for Francis Martes, Colin Moran, Jake Marisnick and Daz Cameron
November 5, 2014: Traded Carlos Perez and Nick Tropeano to the Los Angeles Angels for Hank Conger
December 11, 2014: Traded Jason Garcia to the Baltimore Orioles for cash considerations
January 14, 2015: Traded Rio Ruiz, Andrew Thurman and Mike Foltynewicz to the Atlanta Braves for James Hoyt and Evan Gattis
January 19, 2015: Traded Dexter Fowler to the Chicago Cubs for Dan Straily and Luis Valbuena
January 21, 2015: Traded Carlos Corporan to the Texas Rangers for Akeem Bostick
March 26, 2015: Traded Dan Johnson to the Cincinnati Reds for cash considerations
April 1, 2015: Traded Gregorio Petit to the New York Yankees for cash considerations
May 15, 2015: Traded Ronald Torreyes to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash considerations
May 19, 2015: Traded Chris Lee to the Baltimore Orioles for cash considerations.
July 23, 2015: Traded Daniel Mengden and Jacob Nottingham to the Oakland Athletics for Scott Kazmir
July 30, 2015: Traded Josh Hader, Brett Phillips, Adrian Houser and Domingo Santana to the Milwaukee Brewers for Mike Fiers, Carlos Gomez and cash.
August 8, 2015: Traded Junior Garcia to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Oliver Perez
November 19, 2015: Traded Jonathan Villar to the Milwaukee Brewers for Cy Sneed
November 25, 2015: Traded L.J. Hoes to the Baltimore Orioles for cash considerations
November 25, 2015: Traded Jed Lowrie to the Oakland Athletics for Brendan McCurry
December 2, 2015: Traded Hank Conger to the Tampa Bay Rays for cash considerations
December 12, 2015: Traded Mark Appel, Harold Arauz, Thomas Eshelman, Brett Oberholtzer and Vincent Velasquez to the Philadelphia Phillies for Jonathan Arauz and Ken Giles
March 28, 2016: Traded Dan Straily to the San Diego Padres for Erik Kratz

2 prospects for a guy who can't throw anyone out?! (OK, so he could, I guess, in LA? Oh wait, it was his "pitch framing" that was all the buzz) Then you have to sell him for "cash considerations" because he sucked so bad.
Trading Dexter Fowler for Dan Straily & Luis Valbuena?! Then you trade 4 prospects 6 months later for another CF?! Straily later traded for a 4th string catcher.
2 prospects for a SP rental?
Jed Lowrie just given away to Oakland!
5 guys traded for a guy who can't even lock up the 8th inning?! (OK, so it's early)

 

VV is only one question, health.

If healthy, the trade will go in favor of Phillies.

Now, i still believe Appel will be a good pitcher in the majors.

 

Just nod your head and smile. No reason to get upset or try and talk or anything.

 

My biggest complaint with lunhow is that I think he has undervalued Ed wade players . I've got no problem with him preferring guys that he drafted , but i think he could have more appropriately valued some of the talent wade brought in .

 

Kike Hernandez .455 with 2 homers, both against Bumgarmer

 

Who?

Springer is one, plus Houser, Tropeano, Delino, Foltynewicz, Velasquez, Keuchel, Shirley...

Who else?

 

altuve.