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[FiveThirtyEight] LeBron And Harden Are The NBA’s Best Quarterbacks

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  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
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    in defense of Harden's LONG passes that drive some ClutchFans crazy . . .

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-and-harden-are-the-nbas-best-quarterbacks/

    LeBron And Harden Are The NBA’s Best Quarterbacks
    By Chris Herring

    It was the fourth quarter of a February game against Oklahoma City when LeBron James caught Derrick Williams napping. The Cavaliers were down 101-99, James had the ball, and he and Cavs big man Tristan Thompson had just run a pick and roll at the top of the key. Williams, signed that morning to a 10-day contract, was in the far-right corner, resting with his hands on his knees. James dribbled left and fired a pass to Williams, 40 feet away. Williams dropped the ball, it careened out of bounds and the Thunder gained possession.

    “I learned quick: He can find you just about anywhere — it doesn’t matter how far away you’re standing,” Williams said.

    James, in other words, is one heck of a passer. He can get the ball to teammates, regardless of how far apart they are or how impossible the passing angle may appear. According to a query run by SportVU data analyst Brittni Donaldson at FiveThirtyEight’s request, a whopping 20 percent of James’s passes have traveled more than 30 feet this season; that’s the second-highest share in the league. The league-wide average1 is 6 percent. His passes that go that far travel north of 30 mph, according to SportVU.

    On Sunday night, James will square off against the only person ahead of him on that list: Houston guard and MVP front-runner James Harden, who tosses 25 percent of his passes more than 30 feet, according to the data.2 As of Wednesday, Harden this season had thrown 944 passes that had traveled more than 30 feet; James had 586. To put those numbers into context, consider that the next-closest player, Washington’s John Wall, had only 464.

    That anticipation and unusual ability to find teammates, regardless of where they’re standing or how heavily they’re covered, leaves defensive players entrenched in a mental game of minesweeper. A step in any direction, or even just standing still, could result in a layup, dunk or open 3-point attempt at any moment. Because of Harden’s and James’s ability to thread the needle — at high speeds and from just about anywhere — no defense is ever truly safe.

    Nearly everything that happens for the two teams’ offenses happens because of the effect that James and Harden have on the floor. And even though their scoring gets most of the attention, the two players are zipping passes at incredible speeds across incredible distances. Their teams are benefiting. Cleveland is beating opponents by about 8 points per 100 plays with James on the court — and getting beaten by about 7 points per 100 plays with him sidelined, according to NBA.com. And though Houston has maintained a healthy scoring margin this season when Harden rests, it’s notable that the high-scoring club — which thrives on its 3-point shooting and is one of the 10 best offenses in NBA history in terms of efficiency — becomes mortal without him as the floor general. If you want an insight into how their offenses work, keep an eye on James’s and Harden’s passes.

    This isn’t to say that Harden and James are without flaws or that their long-passing risks always pay off. Quite the opposite. Both are in the midst of career highs in turnovers. This week, Harden broke his own single-season NBA record for miscues, while James has never turned it over this much, measured by both his turnovers per game and the percentage of his plays that ended with a turnover.
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  2. heypartner

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    Article makes it sound like those 30' passes are all fast breaks. The court is 50' wide.

    His normal position outside the arc to the corner is 30'. Skip pass nearly anywhere from Strongside to weak side arc is 30'.

    I don't know what to do with the SportsVU distance and time stats. Lulz at the technology even reporting how fast the passes are traveling. I think this data is more of interest to knowing which teams leave what threes open. More for scouting defenses.
     
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    Let's see Kawhi do that ... and I think there's a thread for this already.;)
     
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    Didn't read.

    Better QB than defensive coordinator. ;)

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    I hear the team on Kirby needs a quarterback?

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    Lol the texans defense covers for the Rockets lack of defense
    and same for Texans offense, Rockets cover that for them.

     
  6. YaoMing#1

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    QB does get paid the most and is the most important position lol
     
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    Comparing the rockets defense to the Texans offense is extreamly disrespectful.

    Rockets arnt even close to being that dreadful on that end to be compared to the disaster that is the Texans O.

    Lol
     
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    Teams have tape against harden and his full court passes. He needs to tone it down. Against the Jazz, at least 3 of the full court passes were picked off.
     

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