Fire Bill O'Brien

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

  1. Yes

    51.3%
  2. No

    35.0%
  3. Abstain (for the moment)

    13.8%
  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    This doesn't answer the question on who actually decides on the player. Rick does the paperwork but is probably just going out and signing who OBrien wants.
     
  2. marky :)

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    On this week's episode of the Texans **** Show:

    Will B'ob use Miller/Foreman as a tandem back?
    Will B'ob still want to make Miller run up the middle even though the guy is a beast on the outsides and when catching?
    How long before Watson is subbed out?

    Stayed Tuned.
     
  3. vinsensual

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    Rick doing paperwork was probably his role with Kubiak. But he outlasted Gary, got promoted, and BOB had no HC experience at this level beforehand. To me, all three of those signs point to Rick having a bigger role than just getting who BOB wants.
     
  4. gucci888

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    This is by McNair's design. There has never been a clear delineation on who decides what going all the way back to Kubiak. And it's really the perfect way for Rick to shield himself, regardless of what happens, you cannot pin anything directly on him.
     
  5. Haymitch

    Haymitch Contributing Member

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    Changed my answer from Abstain to Yes. But FTR I'd like Rick gone too. And others.
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Why would Rick want that role? His job is safe putting it all on the HC. And O'Brien said in a recent interview that Rick doesn't get guys they don't want.
     
  7. gucci888

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    Kubiak didn't have HC NFL experience either. To me, our personnel problems have been mainly the same through Kubiak's tenure and BoB's thus far. No reason to believe Rick is just doing the paperwork with that alone.
     
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  9. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Kubiak got some great personnel. We had a top 10 OL, playmakers, and a QB who was at least above average.
     
  10. lnchan

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    CBS SPORTS:
    (It's convenient to try to discredit Brown's stance, claiming not to re-do contacts with two years remaining, but what about all those players routinely asked to take pay cuts with multiple years left on their deals? Is that not a renegotiation of sorts itself?)
     
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  11. gucci888

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    Kubiak's system was light years ahead of BoB IMO which helped a lot. But it's mainly our drafting outside of the 1st round that has been a huge issue since Rick took over. Below are the non-1st round picks Rick had with Kubiak. Not to mention splash decisions in signing Ahmad Green, basically trading out Glover Quin for Ed Reed, along with some very questionable extensions. Sounds familiar...

    2013 2 D.J. Swearinger
    2013
    3 Brennan Williams
    2013 3 Sam Montgomery
    2013 4 Trevardo Williams
    2013 6 David Quessenberry
    2013
    6 Alan Bonner
    2013 6 Chris Jones
    2013 6 Ryan Griffin

    2012 3 DeVier Posey
    2012 3 Brandon Brooks
    2012
    4 Ben Jones
    2012
    4 Keshawn Martin
    2012
    4 Jared Crick
    2012
    5 Randy Bullock
    2012
    6 Nick Mondek

    2011 2 Brandon Harris
    2011 4 Roc Carmichael
    2011 5 Shiloh Keo
    2011 5 T.J. Yates
    2011 7 Derek Newton
    2011
    7 Cheta Ozougwu

    2010 3 Earl Mitchell
    2010
    4 Darryl Sharpton
    2010 4 Garrett Graham
    2010 5 Sherrick McManis
    2010
    6 Shelley Smith
    2010 6 Trindon Holliday
    2010 7 Dorin Dickerson

    2009 3 Antoine Caldwell
    2009 4 Glover Quin
    2009
    4 Anthony Hill
    2009 5 James Casey
    2009 6 Brice McCain
    2009
    7 Troy Nolan

    2008 3 Antwaun Molden
    2008 3 Steve Slaton
    2008 4 Xavier Adibi
    2008 5 Frank Okam
    2008 6 Dominique Barber
    2008 7 Alex Brink

    2007 3 Jacoby Jones
    2007 4 Fred Bennett
    2007 5 Brandon Harrison
    2007 5 Brandon Frye
    2007 6 Kasey Studdard
    2007 7 Zach Diles
     
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    justtxyank Contributing Member

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    oh God...

    seeing the Texans draft history outside of the first round...just gouge my eyes out and spare me the torture. :(
     
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    Now I am interested in the picks right after those guys
     
  14. Nook

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    That is why the Texans under Smith is always robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    It is a shell game...... using resources to plug a hole because of poor depth of drafting and exposing another one.

    Look at last year...... we lose starters on the offensive line to get a QB...... the Texans have to use 2 #1's and a #2 to basically get someone with a possible chance of a future at the position..... and in doing so they throw together a GARBAGE offensive line. Some of the guys on the line are so bad that we cannot fairly grade the other ones like Martin because there is NO protection..... and without a line they wasted money resigning Hopkins, or spending cap space or draft picks on a running back.... and to top it all off, there is no point in having a good QB at this point because he isn't protected.

    By the time the Texans have the offensive line adequately fixed, the players on defense are going to be free agents and the defense will struggle..... because we have a GM that cannot draft in rounds 2-7.
     
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    Still too early to tell for some of them but XSF, Nix, Pagan have been garbage from the 2014 draft. Trading up for Strong looks to be a big bust and Mumphrey/Cliett/Hilliard aren't even on the roster. And guys like Braxton, Ervin, and Dillon haven't contributed at all. In other words, more of the same...
     
  16. justtxyank

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    Right, so right.

    By the hypothetical time that Watson is a good QB and the offensive line is good enough to be a NFL line, Clowney will have been up for a huge payday, Watt will have left his prime, JJO will be gone, Kareem still won't turn his head to look for the ball, Cushing will be (mercifully) retired, McKinney will be owed a new deal, Kevin Johnson will be owed a new deal and on and on it will go.
     
  17. Nimo

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    The reason Rick Smith still has a job is his first round picks. I don't know if there is any other GM that can rival his first round success. He has also been pretty good with UDFAs. It seems the story of this franchise is that they are good but never good enough or bad but never bad enough
     
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    Um like Derek Carr?

    Being a Clements graduate... I am homer, I admit. But I can proudly say that my high school quarterback can beat Andrew Luck.
     
  19. Nimo

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    Without injuries and holdouts, last year they had Duane Brown, Nick Martin, Greg Mancz, Sua Filo/Allen, and Newton. That is not a bad line. Newton's injury and Brown's holdout really handicapped the line. There was no way to predict that when the let Brooks and Jones go. If both Brown and Newton were still playing we probably wouldn't be complaining much about the line. I would halfway be okay with the line if they got Brown in or got a top available FA tackle. But they did neither which I think is where they really are messing up. I'm perfectly fine with the Watson pick. Savage is not the future. They had to go draft them a QB in the first two rounds for the first time since David Carr. I don't think getting an lineman in the 1st round would get me more excited about the future with Savage and Weeden as the QBs.
     
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  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Picks are a crapshoot but are low risk, high reward.

    That's why you have to be careful about not wasting them.

    Look at Morey and Lunhow. They picked plenty of busts and have passed on superstars

    But they are great at accumulating assets.

    The Texans are good at giving away great assets for next nothing.
     
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