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[Federalist] Joe Biden’s Capitulation To The Crazy Left Is Alienating Democrats Like Me

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    just a good old-fashioned Federalist thread

    "Joe Biden’s Capitulation To The Crazy Left Is Alienating Democrats Like Me":

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/0...e-crazy-left-is-alienating-democrats-like-me/

    Joe Biden’s Capitulation To The Crazy Left Is Alienating Democrats Like Me
    Unlike Biden, Trump is delivering a clear and appealing message: Send kids back to school, support police officers, and get people back to work now.

    Last year, Joe Biden’s path to the presidency seemed clear: Treat President Donald Trump as a historical anomaly whom Biden would replace, then restore American values, overcome petty politics, and get government working again. This message was designed to appeal both to Democrats, like me, and to Republican and Independent voters tired of the toxic political environment we’ve suffered since 2016.

    That strategy initially worked well. Despite constant attacks from opponents and the press, by March 17, Biden had effectively wrapped up the nomination, and polls showed him trouncing Trump in key states such as Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    In recent weeks, however, Biden’s messaging has changed. Now it is pushing millions of voters toward Trump just as regular Americans start paying closer attention to the race. Most Beltway Democrats don’t recognize this, of course. They see polls showing Biden with a large lead over Trump and believe the former vice president is headed for a blowout win.

    They might be right, but the winds seem to be changing. Polls that failed to predict the outcome of the 2016 presidential contest seem just as likely to fail now, with 62 percent of Americans afraid to say what they believe because of our toxic political environment. The more Biden caves to the left, the harder it becomes for him to win middle-class voters, especially those in the upper Midwest who typically decide presidential elections.

    The Hard Left Controls Biden Now
    Nowhere is this more apparent than in Biden’s new alliance with democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders. Biden deserves credit for trying to bring Sanders’ supporters into the fold, something Hillary Clinton never really did. The 110-page “unity plan” Biden’s campaign developed with Sanders supporters such as Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez tries hard to make both the far-left and moderates happy.

    Like most such efforts, however, it fails. It throws trillions of dollars at problems without explaining how to pay for them or taking into account the debt-fueled trillions Congress is spending to deal with the coronavirus. It envisions a bloated bureaucracy that would shift even more power away from states and local governments and into Washington, D.C.

    That is not a popular idea in America, and it won’t appeal to middle-class voters who have watched their government bungle the pandemic response, unnecessarily driving the country into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, with no end in sight. While the Democratic Party worries about the details of the unity plan, the rest of America is focused on simpler things, such as getting kids back to school — real school, not the fake virtual learning kids had to participate in during the spring — and getting people back to work. On those issues, Biden’s plans miss the mark.

    Biden’s Plans Are Empty Swamp-Speak
    Take the former vice president’s proposal to reopen schools this fall. It consumes five pages, discussing things that have nothing to do with schools or children.

    It contains bureaucratic gobbledygook such as creating a “White House-led initiative to identify evidence-based policy solutions that address gaps in learning, mental health, social and emotional well-being, and systemic racial and socioeconomic disparities in education that the pandemic has exacerbated” plus developing “a COVID-19 Educational Equity Gap Challenge Grant to encourage states and tribal governments … to develop bold plans that adopt evidence-based policy recommendations and give all of our students the support they need to succeed.”

    American voters aren’t stupid. They see a five-point, five-page “roadmap” to reopening schools, and they know what it means: Schools won’t reopen any time soon. They won’t tolerate that.

    Biden’s plan to reopen the American economy has similar failings. Biden would also “Build a National Contact Tracing Workforce,” which he says is “a core component of a robust nationwide data-driven disease surveillance system.”

    Seriously? A nationwide surveillance system might sound good to people in D.C. — who, of course, would run this new bureaucracy — but it sounds downright Orwellian to the rest of us, for a virus that more than 99 percent of people survive. Voters across America have already seen their civil liberties trampled this year. They will not welcome further intrusions.

    Biden Betrays Law Enforcement
    Although Biden takes a law-and-order approach to coronavirus, he has thrown actual law enforcement officers under the bus by kowtowing to activists who want to “defund the police.” As Biden knows, defunding the police is a myth. Its proponents openly admit they want to abolish police departments, not only defund them.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, crime is skyrocketing. Eliminating the police will not help the residents of Chicago, Minneapolis, New York, and Portland. Neither will conditioning federal aid on whether police departments “meet certain basic standards of decency, honorableness and, in fact, are able to demonstrate they can protect the community, everybody in the community,” the position Biden took to avoid saying he wants the police defunded.

    Imagine telling that to a gang unit or to undercover officers. Biden can keep trying to toe the line, but when regular Americans hear him say he will condition federal aid on cops being “decent,” they reasonably interpret that to mean he will bow to the mob and not stand up for law enforcement. This is why the National Association of Police Organizations endorsed Trump this year, despite endorsing the Obama-Biden ticket in 2008 and 2012 specifically because it included Biden.

    “For Joe Biden, police are shaking their heads because he used to be a stand-up guy who backed law enforcement,” said the association’s executive director Bill Johnson. Sadly, this plays right into Trump’s hand. Trump might not know much, but he has stellar political instincts. Unlike Democrats, he’s delivering a clear message that will appeal to the majority of Americans: Send kids back to school, support police officers, and get people back to work now.

    Trump Is Using Reagan’s Playbook
    In this vein, Trump is following in the footsteps of Ronald Reagan, just as he did in 2016. Democrats underestimated Reagan’s appeal during the 1980s. It wasn’t until 2006 that one prominent Democrat observed that Reagan’s skill in winning middle-class voters “spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them.”

    “By promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, and loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of a common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster,” this prominent Democrat observed. “And the more his critics carped, the more those critics played into the role he’d written for them — a band of out-of-touch, tax-and-spend, blame-America-first, politically correct elites.”

    That Democrat was Barack Obama, writing in his 2006 book “The Audacity of Hope.” His observations apply just as much today as they did then — and they will drive people to vote for Trump again.
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  2. Os Trigonum

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    conclusion:

    It’s No Mystery Why People Prefer Trump
    This is already occurring across key states. CNN’s Rich Thau has been conducting focus groups of Obama-Trump voters in the Midwest and found recently that 22 of 33 respondents preferred Trump to Biden. It’s easy to see why. According to Thau:

    They think a businessman is best suited to turn the country around economically. They feel COVID-19 was not Trump’s fault, and he’s doing the best he can to contain it. They conflate the Black Lives Matter protesters with the rioters attacking federal buildings and retail shops. They don’t want historic monuments torn down. And they dismiss defunding the police as ridiculous.

    These voters tell me they want America finally to be put first; they oppose immigration and trade policies they say give benefits to foreigners at their expense. And they want a non-politician who relentlessly fights back, after witnessing too many officeholders fold in the face of special interests.

    These voters cannot be discounted as racists or deplorables who need to be canceled. Their votes matter just as much as the protesters and rioters. They could easily lift Trump to a second term.

    If that happens, Democrats will have only themselves to blame. The coronavirus gave them the chance to show what real leadership looks like. So far, they have failed.

    Democrats have a small window to come to their senses, reconnect with working people, and fix it. But that will require them to get out of Washington and stand up to the special interests that are exploiting the virus for political gain — and that seems increasingly unlikely.

    Scott Street is a Democratic lawyer and consultant in Los Angeles. He regularly writes about legal and political issues.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Did the crazy left nominate a man who brags about passing a dementia test to manage the world's largest bureaucracy?

    What are some crazy left policies from Biden?

    Just don't include extreme gun regulation because the "far left" doesn't really care about that. Extreme gun regulation is for the moderate Democrat establishment figures and when I mean extreme I mean wanting to ban a large swath of magazine fed rifles.
     
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  4. Major

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    Except that they very clearly don't in poll after poll after poll after poll. Minor detail, I guess.
     
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    At least he can brag about it. Can Joe say the same?

    Are there people really denying the cognitive decline that is blatantly apparent to anyone who observes objectively.

    It sincerely saddens me for two reasons:
    1. It's eye opening to see what's in store for me in my old age. It's sad when it happens to family members and watching him reminds me of my grandparents.
    2. The Democratic Party inserted him as their guy, regardless of his condition. So, who is going to make the decisions? The DNC? The VP/future POTUS candidate that is still unannounced? Or most likely, the folks who've been pulling the strings all along. The 1% 'Elites' who we're all supposedly fighting against. Or maybe it's just coincidence that they overwhelmingly endorse Biden. There's 6 corporations who own most of the media. That's a lot of power. I'd argue these people are well within the 1%. They own the Dem. Party.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    I'm sure Joe isn't as sharp as he was when he was 40. But here's the thing. No one takes that test unless a doctor recommends they take the test due to symptoms already shown. Only people on the left side of a normal distribution curve for IQ would brag about the test providing any semblance of measuring intelligence.

    Did you take the test? No. Because no one is sincerely questioning if you have dementia just like no one is sincerely questioning if Biden has it. There is no reason for Biden to take the test.

    It's self evident from watching 5 minutes of each off the cuff who is more coherent and has more self-awareness along with empathy.

    Biden has the fortune circumstance of being compared to a excessively low bar though.

    The Trump campaign insulting Biden's congitive abilities is like Johnny Manziel insulting Watson for holding on to the ball too long.
     
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    Hmmmm....sounds like Scott wants to vote for Trump...which is fine...his choice

    - He's using a CATO institute study in regards to the 62 percent of people being unwilling to talk. Again, the CATO institute is an extreme Libertarian organization that was founded by the Koch brothers.

    - He then uses a Gallup poll from last year in regards to saying something is not a popular idea. Needless to say, things have changed since then.

    - He says millions are flocking to Trump because of these things, but offers no evidence that millions are actually flocking to Trump. I have doubts that Mr. Street actually knows if millions are flocking to Trump (at least ones that aren't already in the president's corner).

    - He mentions that the NAPO endorsed Obama-Biden in 2008 and 2012 but endorses Trump now. They also endorsed Trump in 2016 so its not really a surprise that they don't endorse Biden now especially as Trump has sided with the police in the BLM protests.

    - He mentions that CNN's Thau uncovered that 22 of 33 Obama-Tump voters plan on voting for Trump...Ok...33 voters isn't really a great sample size, however, this also means that Trump has lost 1/3rd of this group of voters. If that's the case, he loses the election if he also can't gain any additional voters. So, this kind of refutes his point that millions are flocking to Trump...if anything, it shows that voters are moving away from him.

    Anyway, it sounds like Street is moving to Trump's side of the aisle...which, again, is fine...his choice. It happens all the time...however, making the claim that millions are flocking to Trump and then trying to say the polls are wrong because they don't show that kind of kills his point. He shows no evidence of any of that happening...just his own self.
     
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  8. Os Trigonum

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    good post, but . . . I think his point is the Dems in the center and who lean center-right are going to be VERY put off by Biden's Bernie-ward drift, and may opt out in favor of another four years of Trump, who at least is a "known known."
     
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    Are you watching edited clips or something?

    If not, this is a GREAT example of how differently we see things. That's not intended to be an insult, just an observation. It's something I begrudgingly have to accept.

    And Watson does hold the ball too long. He should know his progressions before the snap. Hopkins being gone this year is either going to expose him or make him a better QB. (I hate O'Brien....bet he's a Dem....lol):D
     
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    Possibly, then again, quite a few center and center-right Repubs out in the suburbs are already put-off by Trump's style and have moved over to the left because Trump is a "known known."
     
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    He didn't specify which people.
     
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    I'm willing to go for a nuanced discussion on how Trump is visably less coherent.

    Biden at this stage of his life isn't the sharpest man. His type of gaffs are the "one liners" or forgetting a phrase or a word and stuttering sometimes. His type of gaffs are similar to when Obama said "57 states" when he meant to say "47 states". Biden does those type of gaffs just far more often than Obama. Obama also tends to have long pauses mid expression of thought to recollect his thoughts. Now I don't think even you would question Obama's cognitive abilities. Every human has these type of gaffs and yes as you get older you get these gaffs more often. And Biden is at that age where it happens more often. Now this doesn't prevent him from expressing coherent thoughts though. It's just not nearly as eloquent as when someone like Obama speaks. Biden's other problem is that the dude can say some careless things about race and other social issues but his intentions unlike Trump aren't malicious. He doesn't call majority of Mexicans rapists and doesn't create narratives of immigrants destroying the country illegal or legal.

    Trump on the other hand doesn't have "gaffs". What Trump does is incoherent rants that mimick signs of actual dementia such as drastically changing subjects mid expression of thought or expressing meth head level rants constantly that have little to no basis in reality. He also is considerably less self-aware than Biden in that Trump can't hide his ego. Biden can often have issues with this but no where near the extent of Trump. Biden has the self-awareness to not say he's the best thing since Lincoln or MLK for Black people. And that is where I refer back to the low bar Biden is competing with. See, for the vast majority of humans, they have that basic level of self-awareness also. Trump is special, specially mentally derranged.
     
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    Just a couple points concerning this article.

    First Joe Biden has never said he favored defunding the police as far as I know.

    Second, I live in the Midwest right now. The vast majority of it is corn fields and shitty little towns that are falling apart. It is naturally very, very conservative. Not many of those voters were ever going to vote for Biden. That is an area that is ripe for populist leaders. Biden has to win the larger cities in the Midwest and the areas with minorities.

    Biden cannot win the election without the support of black voters and the Sanders supporters.
     
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    which describes most of upstate New York as well ;)
     
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    First, we do not even know that Trump passed a cognitive test. We had him write his own letter for physical fitness and made his doctor sign it in the past.

    Second, Biden does not appear any worse than the President of the USA from a cognitive standpoint...... which isn't a shock as both are older and from the same generation.
     
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    Yes, I have been there a number of times........ but the Midwest rural areas are different......... for example, there is a saying in Illinois...... everything outside of the Chicago land area is Alabama. The reality, is from a political and social stand point this is very true.

    For Biden to win in the Midwest he needs really strong turnout from the cities, minority areas and enough of the suburbs..... Biden was never going to win areas like Peru Illinois.
     
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    Many part of the articles doesn't add up. I'll just mention this one.

    Paraphrasing the author:

    "Crazy left" doesn't just want to defund the police, they want to abolish it.
    Biden doesn't want to defund the police, but he support reform (from the link he provided).

    So, how is Biden capitulating to the "crazy left" when he's not capitulating to the "crazy left"?
     
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  18. Os Trigonum

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    I think you're right about Biden and "defunding police," on the other hand Biden has kept Beto O'Rourke under a rock since making Beto the Gun Czar-Elect. That's likely no accident.
     
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    from the article, his reasoning is according to POLL, people are too scared to share their political opinion

    1- don't trust poll, but trust THIS poll
    2- what does too scared to share political opinion to others have to do with poll?

    logical reasoning is faulty
     
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    Someone might want to tell the Bernie people that they control Joe Biden now.

    I'm sure they'll be thrilled the learn this.
     
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