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FBI, DHS Officially Classify Antifa Activities As "Domestic Terrorist Violence"

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  1. MojoMan

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    The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have officially classified Antifa activities as "Domestic Terrorist Violence".

    {to be continued}
     
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    It should be noted, the identification of these people as organized terrorist thugs who routinely conspire together to engage in terrorist activities is not recent, but goes back to June 2016.

    The white supremacist groups (KKK for short) have clearly produced terrorists of their own, but as vile as the agenda of these KKK racist groups is, they do not ordinarily organize public activities for the specific purpose of instigating violence, although they by long experience do clearly come ready for it. Generally their rallies are peaceful if they are allowed to be conducted without threat of attack or assault.

    On the other hand, these Antifa terrorists appear to exist almost solely for the purpose engaging in violence, hurting people and breaking the law, all under the banner of their own political purposes. Of course these people would likely have received the full protection of the law and the US government if Hillary Clinton had of won the election. But now without someone like Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch heading the DOJ to dependably corrupt the justice process, these people (and the KKK groups) can expect to be held accountable for their lawless, terrorist actions.

    Personally, I would pay good money to see a Pay-Per-View event where all those associated the KKK groups, Antifa or any radical Islamic terrorist groups, were put onto an island that was all cameraed up in a "there can be only one" death match. Then let them all kill each other until they are gone for good. If necessary, do it once a year. And then "disappear" the one who wins. Sort of like a Hunger Games, but only for the terrorist crowd.

    Terrorists deserve other terrorists, no? And now we all know that Antifa is officially listed with these other terrorist groups.
     
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  3. NewRoxFan

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    Wow... using your hatred of Antifa (or any group for that matter) to defend or justify the actions of the KKK and white supremacist groups as "generally peaceful if they are allowed without threat"? Wow, just wow.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    The difference between you and me is that I respect and value our first amendment protections, which do not exist in most other places in the world. As you know very well from reading my previous post, I condemn the agendas of the white supremacists, antifa and the radical Islamic terrorist groups. However, if they want to peacefully assemble to speak and make their arguments known, then I believe they should have the right to do that.

    To be fair, the FBI and DHS should surveil these groups and the participants in these gatherings as thoroughly as it is possible to do so, as we know that these groups and the people in them are criminals, terrorists and violent thugs who are up to no good. But they should be permitted to assemble peaceably and speak if they are capable and inclined to do so.

    But you would deny people you disagree with this right, while simultaneously defending and protecting terrorists who you do support, when they engage in their vile anti-social activities.

    Suffice it to say, I am not looking to receive any sort of moral guidance from the likes of you.
     
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    From the Washington Post:

    Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis

    Last weekend in Berkeley, Calif., a group of neo-communist antifa — “anti-fascist” — thugs attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Marxism in America” rally, wielding sticks and pepper spray, and beating people with homemade shields that read (I kid you not) “No Hate.” The Post reports how one peaceful protester “was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.” Members of the Berkeley College Republicans were then stalked by antifa goons who followed them to a gas station and demanded they “get the [expletive] out” of their car, warning, “We are real hungry for supremacists and there is more of us.”

    The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity” and had announced on Facebook that “any racist groups like the KKK [and] Neo Nazis . . . are not welcome.” The protest was needed, Cummings said, because “Berkeley is a ground zero for the Marxist Movement.”

    As if to prove Cummings’s point, the antifa movement responded with jackboots and clubs — because their definition of “fascist” includes not just neo-Nazis but also anyone who opposes their totalitarian worldview.

    And let’s be clear: Totalitarian is precisely what they are. Mark Bray, a Dartmouth lecturer who has defended antifa’s violent tactics, recently explained in The Post, “Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists” who believe that physical violence “is both ethically justifiable and strategically effective.” In other words, they are no different from neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that killed 25 million people last century. Antifa members are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that, according to “The Black Book of Communism,” killed between 85 million and 100 million people last century. Both practice violence and preach hate. They are morally indistinguishable. There is no difference between those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Hitler and Himmler and those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.

    The United States defeated two murderous ideologies in the 20th century. So we should all be repulsed by the sight of our fellow Americans carrying the banners of either movement, whether they are waving the red flags of communism or black flags of Nazism. Yet we are not. Communism is not viewed as an evil comparable to Nazism today. As Alex Griswold recently pointed out, the New York Times has published no fewer than six opinion pieces this year defending communism, including essays praising Lenin as a conservationist, explaining why Stalinism inspired Americans, and arguing that the Bolsheviks were romantics at heart and that women had better sex under communism. Can one imagine the Times running similar pieces about the Nazis?

    My mother and grandfather fought the Nazis in Poland during World War II, and her family then endured the Stalinist terror that followed, when Nazi occupation was replaced by Soviet domination. So forgive me if I see little moral distinction between the swastika and the hammer and sickle. Both are evil, and their modern adherents need to be condemned — especially when they dare to commit acts of violence in our midst to advance their hateful visions.

    Both the left and the right have a responsibility to police their own movements. In the 1960s, William F. Buckley excommunicated the John Birch Society, widely believed then to be anti-Semitic and a proponent of nutty conspiracy theories, from the respectable right, and today, conservatives have a responsibility to do the same with the white nationalists of the alt-right.

    Those on the left have responsibilities as well — responsibilities few are meeting. On Monday I asked the office of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for her statement of condemnation. To her credit, Pelosi issued a strong statement Tuesday, declaring, “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted. In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech. Non-violence is fundamental to that right.”

    Good for her. So why haven’t more leading Democrats done the same? After Charlottesville, the media rightly demanded that President Trump and all Republicans condemn the neo-Nazis and the KKK. So where are the calls for Democrats to condemn antifa — and the brutal public condemnation for those who fail to do so? If black-clad neo-Nazis had attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Racism in America” march in Berkeley, politicians in Washington would be falling over themselves to express their disgust — and any who failed to do so would be vilified. But when neo-communists commit this kind of violence, they get a pass from the left.

    That cannot be allowed to stand.
     
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    Americans use the word 'terrorist' way to liberally.

    That said, at least anifa is finally being recognized as a violent group. If only the left would speak out against them as much as they do with the alleged epidemic growth of the KKK.
     
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    The republican party... Trump has opened the doors for white supremacists and KKK to walk right in, and "conservatives" welcome them in. Perhaps not a surprise considering the further right tilt.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    I'll never put them on the same moral plane.

    I can think they are dumb, petty and lack self-awareness but I will never equate them to Nazis and the KKK.

    I honestly believe if you equate the two on the same moral plane, it is a form of whitewashing the history behind the KKK and Nazis.
     
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-the-alt-right-and-black-lives-matter/538320/

    How to Distinguish Between Antifa, White Supremacists, and Black Lives Matter

    Navigating the most fraught conversation of the moment requires attention to both means and ends.

     
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  11. Astrodome

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    At least the lefties on this board aren't siding with Antifa quite as much in the last few weeks. That is positive.
     
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    What do you mean by 'siding'?

    It's the exact same position as the previous weeks. They are stupid, lack self-awareness and are petty but they are not morally equivalent to the KKK and Nazis.

    Here is an analogy to show how all the Nazi and KKK white washers are hypocritical.

    Would you equate a American who is so strongly opposed to Islamic extremism to the point where his methods are misguided such as showing up armed in front of local mosques in a form of protest to ISIS members who endorse rape and ethnic cleansing? No you wouldn't. I wouldn't either. One is misguided but isn't vile to the core. The other is a ****ing ISIS supporter. You wouldn't place a moral equivalence between those two.

    So why place a moral equivalence between Antifa and Nazis? Honestly the equivalence that makes me certain that some one his racist to their core is when they equate BLM to the KKK.
     
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    I'm totally fine with it.

    These nimrods serve no actual purpose aside from inciting violence, and galvanizing support for a president that is almost unsupportable to most of the country.
     
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    I can't be the only one who holds this sentiment but there is some cause for being curious.

    Antifa members often lack so much self-awareness in how they are percieved that I have to imagine some of them if not many of them are playing some sort of shtick and trolling as anti-trump supporters.

    I know quite a few right wing nuts I served with that would go this far out of the way.
     
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    I ok with it as long as the KKK and Neo Nazis are also classified as domestic terrorists.
     
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    Well, good, it's about time they are recognized for what they are. There's no place in society for violent extremist groups and that's exactly what AntiFa is.
     
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    I am just talking a few weeks ago when everyone bashed the prez for calling out Antifa as well as the neos. It seemed that everyone was offended when he called them out along with the others.
     
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    Diverting attention from white supremacists/KKK groups is the reason since the goals and beliefs of these groups align.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Ya, he placed a moral equivalence to both sides which is exactly white washing KKK and Nazi groups.

    He also said there were good people on both sides.

    Understand this initial fact about the Charlottesville protests before I go on to my analogy. The initial permit filed to protest was started by a SELF-LABELED white supremacist group. Keep that in mind.

    So if a group of self labeled ISIS supporters filed for a permit to protest in a town center in America and random people decided to join in with them protesting side by side even if they aren't perfectly aligned in all their beliefs, would you label those people who joined in as

    a. ISIS sympathisers?
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    b. 'good people'?

    Obviously Trump doesn't see KKK sympathisers as morally repugnant people and there is a blatant hypocrisy here amongst conservative posters.
     
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    #1 I can't take anything mojoman posts as serious because he believes in a bearded man in the sky holding dominion over all living things but doesn't believe in human influenced climate change.

    #2 As for Antifa being labeled a domestic terrorist organization? Whatever. They are a bunch of losers and social misfits with very little influence.
     
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