European Court of Human Rights upholds French burka ban

These full body suits confuse me when I see them in real life

They just look too funny

 

"Authorities say religious veils are degrading to women, an affront to France's secular traditions, and a security risk as they prevent the accurate identification of individuals."

1. If the women chose to be degraded . . . .isn't that their business?
2. If it is a security thing . . . why not ban gloves too . . . folx trying not to leave finger prints

Rocket RIver

 

Not sure I agree with the verdict. If they want to wear the burqua, then why should that be illegal?

 

It's questionable whether the women are making a free, informed choice or if it's influenced/pressured by family members and a backwards ass culture.

Your driver's license doesn't have finger prints. People should be able to identify you when you enter their business or what have you. If they want to wear their garb at home then knock yourselves out.

 

France is wrong, this won't work.

 

1. the concept of 'informed choice' is a problem . . . 'influence' is worse problem. Because people by fricking jeans based on influence of a constant barrage of adverts, peer pressure and undermining of self worth.

MANY a thing in our country is done because of influence/pressure . . yet and still when it happens we SCREAM it is a PERSONAL decision . . unless we don't agree with it .. then it becomes Coercion or some such .. . it is so situational that it does not make alot of sense after a while

2. I had to put my finger print to get my license. . .thumb print at that
That said. . .they banned them . . they did not ban them for license pictures
they banned them PERIOD

Rocket River

 

From personal experience most Muslim women who say it's from their own free will are speaking in half truths. In reality they know the consequences of removing their hijab/niqab/burqua etc. which in the most benevolent case is being shunned by one's family.

 

Umm there is a pretty large difference between the consequences of not conforming to social peer pressure and not submitting to family religious ideology.

Please remind me of an incident where not wearing fashionable jeans resulted in a father beheading their daughter.

 

Conservatives are submitting to family peer pressure.have you tried to be a freedom loving god fearing liberal in a conservative family? Its impossible without being ostracized from the people you love. Conservatism should be banned.

 

Try walking into a check cashing or a liquor store with a ski mast in summer and see what happens.

 

Except this is not a ban on any face cover. It is a ban of burkas, specifically. This is just about Burkas and just about Islam.

If this was genuinely about safety concerns, that would make a lot of sense. When I came back from Jordan and they were allowing burka-wearing women through passport control onto the plane without having a look at their real faces, I was disgusted and made it known to them. If I walk into a bank and a person is covered head to toe, I'm concerned. If I'm in a liquor store in the US, then it doesn't really matter what people are wearing the danger always exists.

But to ban the Burka in public places without extending that ban to any kind of dress which covers the face - i.e. masks on halloween, breathing masks, etc - is a violation of human rights like I've never seen from a European country in the modern age.

It follows the exact reverse narrative which forces non-Muslims to cover up in "Muslim" countries - that their personal choice of clothing is demeaning to themselves and others and that the subjectively more progressive line of thought should be followed.

The fact that you are trying to lump in these potential crimes with a law that doesn't outright ban all similar clothing that poses a risk is a joke. You can actually walk around with a ski mask and a cloak in France. That's what's so idiotic about this. It targets Muslims and Arabs. It's like banning the sombrero in America because GOD KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN PUT IN THERE and it is a symbol from a time where women had fewer rights in Mexico than they do today. This rationale is stupid, and it will just cause problems among people of different faiths in France - which of course, was the point of all this to begin with, in contrast to the more sensible ban on religious symbolism in schools for example.

 

Dude, no one takes you seriously here. Stop wasting your time. Inject more beef roids.

 

Yes, it will. The French know fashion.

 

Here's a shorter way you could have communicated that:

"You're right, can't think of any way to justify banning burkas only."

 

If I wanted shorter I would have went with this.

No one takes you seriously here.

or

You are a joke.

 

I'm confused. Are you standing up for the honor of liquor stores?

 

If only women had a choice like they do in Catholicism to wear silly religiously obligated clothing.