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[ESPN] Introducing Real Plus-Minus

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Apr 7, 2014.

  1. J.R.

    J.R. Member

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    Introducing Real Plus-Minus

    RPM Stats

     
  2. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Looks xrapm.
     
  3. VBG

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    It is xRAPM renamed.

    Beverley highest rated Rocket.
    Dwight ahead of Harden.
     
  4. brantonli24

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    Nick Collison, our new god. Tim Duncan who?
     
  5. mollamar

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    Perhaps not unsurprisingly, Dwight has a negative offense rating, given how we have to contort our offense to feed him in the post and given how much we turn it over on bad post entry passes. While the latter (turn overs) is not his fault, they come as a resut of how we try to get him the ball, so it is fair that it shows in his stats.

    To put in perspective how bad Harden is on defense, by this DRPM metric, he is 390th out of 435 players.

    Counter-intuitively, Beverley has a better offensive game than defense.
     
  6. mvpcrossxover

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    This is going to fail like their Total QBR
     
  7. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    xRAPM, version 1.2
     
  8. BamBam

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    xRAPM Deluxe...
    xRAPM Lite.......
    xRAPM Clone.....
    xRAPM Part Deux...:grin:
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    .......
     
  9. rurban

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    Harden 5th overall ORPM (offense only) is excepted, but Stephen Curry (3th) ahead of Chris Paul (4th), and James (1st) ahead of Durant (2nd) is a bit surprising to me.
     
  10. Medicine N Music

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    Beverley is #14, ahead of Dwight #21 and Harden #33. Does this even matter? You have Iggy at #3, Nick Collison at #6, and Amir Johnson at #12.
     
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    Yeah...ummmmm

    Jofs are gonna hate this one:

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  12. crossover

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    It's cool to see Nick Collison and Chris Anderson in the top 20; two guys who quietly have huge impact. SGs are underrepresented and incredibly ineffectual in today's NBA. Also you missed one basketballhollic, Goran Dragic > Harden ;)
     
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    Wow Bev #3 for PGs
     
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    Deandre Jordan is the top center in this real plus minus. I mean, center is becoming an irrelevant position in the NBA, but Deandre is seriously the most underrated player in the league. Gonna lead the league in boards, lead the league in FG%, and 3rd in blocks...yet nobody gives him any respect.
     
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    Harden isn't a net negative. Jones is -1.42. According to this metric, he's hurting the team.
     
  16. jordnnnn

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    Thread bump.

    I noticed today they finally had enough games to put out these stats for this season.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

    Harden comes in at 6th overall in RPM. 5th overall on offense and 36th overall on defense. According to these numbers he is 2nd in the league in WAR behind Curry.

    Rockets overall ranks

    Player - RPM/ORPM/DRPM

    Harden - 6/5/36
    Bev - 51/67/112
    Jones - 75/138/61
    Ariza - 79/246/30
    DMo - 81/212/37
    Howard - 100/171/78
    Canaan - 148/116/189
    Terry - 163/134/191
    Black - 171/243/123
    Capela - 235/354/116
    Dorsey - 266/379/107
    Johnson - 327/262/304
    Papa - 331/376/165
    Garcia - 353/381/182
    Daniels - 413/356/404

    Still pretty early and some of these guys have really small sample sizes, but it's interesting to see how these stats rank our players. Definelty some surprises that don't exactly match how I would rank our players against each other on offense. Defensively it seems more in line with how I'm seeing things.
     
  17. jordnnnn

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    Forgot to mention all these ranks are out of a total of 420 players
     
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    DMo's defence really good, he's 11th against PF's, unfortunatelly for Dwigth and Jones too small samle size
     

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