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Egyptians resist Morsi; US-supported military to step in on Morsi's side

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  1. Mathloom

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23021611

    Sigh. Not to mention the soldiers you are sending over there to train their armed forces in "riot control" and the $2.5m of tear gas they purchased recently (from a private company I suppose).

    In loosely related news, Morsi's fanbase set fire to Shi'ite people and areas today in Giza.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    The USA shouldn't support Morsi. I don't know how much they support him, but they shouldn't.

    You are trying to paint the USA as the root cause of evil here, though, as you always do.

    The root cause is that Morsi is a representative of religious fanatism and Islamo-fascism.

    IF the USA support him in any way, it's a stupid policy decision.
     
  3. Mathloom

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    30the June the Egyptian people enter the streets with their red cards and whistles, and watch the military come out with their free American weapons and training. No doubt there will be a combination of the military crushing protests, and the MB's fanbase continuing their violence.
     
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    Why are you only bad-mouthing the USA and not mentioning that the MB is an Islamo-fascist organization?

    More convenient to point the finger away from your own, huh?
     
  5. Mathloom

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    Just because most Americans agree that the MB is horrible, but most Americans don't fully grasp the role of American foreign policy in keeping them in leadership.

    If that's the only thing leaving you skeptical, here:

    The MB is an Islamo-fascist organization.
     
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    Ok, fair enough.

    Here's a US link that seems to confirm what you are saying, sadly.

    The news from Egypt is grim.
    Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohammed Morsi made international headlines this week as he appointed Adel Al Khayat as governor of Luxor, an ancient Egyptian city that is key tourist destination.
    The problem with Mr. Khayat? He just happens to lead the “political” arm of a terrorist organization that massacred tourists in Luxor in 1997. The details of the attack are beyond grisly, with many of the dead disemboweled and notes “praising Islam” placed inside their mutilated bodies.
    When it comes to the Middle East, we have proven to be the worst of friends and the best of enemies.
    And that’s not all.
    On Tuesday, the New York Times reported on the rise of blasphemy prosecutions since Morsi ascended to power.

    In recent cases, Egyptian courts have sentenced a writer to 5 years in prison for allegedly promoting atheism, sentenced a lawyer to a year in prison for allegedly insulting Islam in a private conversation, and fined a Christian schoolteacher $14,000 for allegedly insulting Muhammed in her classroom.
    These recent revelations pile on top of the “old” news, including violations of the peace treaty with Israel, failing to protect our American embassy from attacks, and launching systematic crackdowns on Egypt’s Coptic Christian community.
    Against this backdrop of Shariah and jihad – and hidden behind the blanket news coverage of the Obama administration’s other scandals – the White House has decided to increase its financial support for the Muslim Brotherhood, quietly clearing the way for the U.S. to give Egypt $1.3 billion in military aid.
    On May 10, the very day that Lois Lerner issued her contrived apology for the IRS targeting conservative groups, Secretary of State John Kerry formally waived – on national security grounds – statutory requirements that he certify that Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood government was “implementing policies to protect freedom of expression, association, and religion, and due process of law” before providing any further American military aid.
    Think about this for a moment: The Obama administration threw the Mubarak regime (for all its flaws, a stalwart American ally that kept peace with Israel) under the bus ostensibly because of its human rights violations but is waiving human rights conditions to prop up a more brutal jihadist government.
    Let’s not forget the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood: "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Koran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."
    That is the organization that we are empowering – that we are arming – at American taxpayer expense.
    In the coming days and weeks, secular and Christian opposition leaders are planning nationwide protests against a Morsi regime that has proven competent at implementing Shariah law but not at running an economy.
    Morsi’s jihadist allies plan a crackdown, and if and when they succeed, you may see the terrible sight of American-made and taxpayer-purchased tanks and other armored vehicles literally crushing the Christian opposition.
    The saying goes that there is “no better friend and no worse enemy” than a United States Marine.
    The Obama administration has turned this on its head. -- When it comes to the Middle East, we have proven to be the worst of friends and the best of enemies.
    We sat on our hands during Iran’s Green Revolution, when the Mullahs were briefly in danger of being overthrown.
    We similarly sat on our hands in the early days of the Syrian uprising against the brutal, Iran-allied Assad regime, before jihadists had taken over the Syrian opposition.
    But we acted quickly to support the Egyptian uprising, tossing aside a longtime ally.
    Across the Middle East, jihad is ascendant. The Mullahs remain comfortably in power in Iran (busy building a bomb), Syria’s opposition is dominated by Al Qaeda-affiliated militias, and Egypt is firmly in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    And now we’re arming Egypt and considering arming jihadist rebels in Syria.
    The Obama administration is doubling down on failure – at the expense of Egyptian Christians and the American taxpayer.


    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ama-increases-support-for-muslim-brotherhood/
     
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    I wouldn't wring my hands for Mubrak, but I'm guessing an army coup is probably in the future and you'll probably get a mellower new one.
     
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    "You'll"? Not really my country, race, religion, anything.

    Anyway, both Morsi and Mubarak were the result of army coups. The only difference is Mubarak was a unanimous choice whereas in the last elections Tantawi picked about 10 acceptable replacements (i.e. those who acknowledged that the Egypt-Israel treaty wouldn't be torn up). The army acted as a significant filter in diverting the course of democracy. Morsi was just the smartest one who had the sense to hint that he would tear the treaty up - which is what virtually all Egyptians want and which he had no intention of doing.

    Not because Egypt is stupid enough to make a futile challenge to Israel (it would find no allies in the region to do that either), but mostly because they want to cut the hand that's externally feeding their army.
     
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    Where do those dudes pee?
     
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    I meant that figuratively, sorry...I wasn't implying you were Egyptian.
     
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    What I am enjoying about this is that the anti-US sentiment is stronger than it was last time, and this time it's the leftists raising it, rather than the crazy right wing nuts (who like many Americans believe Morsi is president in spite of US foreign policy lol).

    The people outside today are very different than the past in that they don't include the massive salafi or brotherhood groups.

    I doubt this brings about any real change, but I commend Egyptians for trying.
     
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    Why do you keep coming to this American website if you hate the USA so much?
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    The US dominates your thoughts and controls your emotions.
     
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    THE USA lol nice one! Fox News love it.

    You're a grown ass man, you should learn the difference between state ideology and foreign policy. I hate the foreign policy of Iran too, that doesn't mean I hate IRAN or IRANIANS.

    Since this is a place for discussing policy decisions, and I direct those comments at those responsible for policy decisions of "THE USA", seems to me the only difference is that I focus more on foreign policy (which is infinitely worse) than domestic policy (sadly much worse than Americans deserve).
     
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    NO YOU! :rolleyes:
     
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    Is he drunk again?
     
  18. KingCheetah

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    Sand intoxication.
     
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    http://rt.com/news/cairo-protesters-brotherhood-hq-454/
     
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    Mathloon, I recall you posted that you live in Dubai -- so do us all a favor and du bai yourself a clue.
     
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