Egyptian Human Rights Activist Ahmad Harqan: ISIS Is Doing what the Prophet Muhammad Did

What is up with Muslim clerics in the Middle East and claiming everything is a Mossad plot?

 

Israel Security Intelligence Service = ISIS

Bring any word or phrase from Quran that allow to harm innocent people!

You simply can't because it was never there, but you can bring such phrases from Talmud.

So ISIS simply are't following Islam

 

I'm not going to even try. Any direct explicit quote from the Quran that advocates violence will be refuted with the same ole "out of context" line.

 

Finally seen the light on the Egyptian military?

good stuff.

 

nice, the typical Exiled spin into the Jews are bad posts in every thread

 

Aroundtheworld I actually agree with much of your comments about the hypocrisy in Islam but basically all religions have endured the same at different times during their existence and incubation.

Religion is like white rice and is flavored and understood based on the context of its people at the time. Its a mechanism for people to gain power over other people and its been used violently in this manner by all major religions.

Whether its the Al-Queda, the Catholic Church and its transgressions over the years, the Hindus to religious minorities in India, extreme ultra orthodox Jews in Israel.

All the religions exhibit this, and as the muslim world is one of the more repressive, poor places in the world it tends to be more widespread during this specific time in history. Every century will have different violent religious movements based on the socio economics of each region.

You should really be against all religions all together as all show facets to certain degrees of exactly what you say. it would probably have more merit and people would understand the logic behind your positions.

But to simply point out what happens to be prevalent today in Islam what has been prevalent across most major religions for thousands of years makes it seem more hate than rational understanding.

 

Pope Innocent II, the global head of the Catholic Church, not a splinter extremist group, but the global head of th church said the following:

knights of religious orders who died fighting infidels "consecrated their hands to God in the blood fo the unbelievers"

Other radical Saints like St. Bernard " For Christ! hence Christ is attained....The soldier of Christ kills safely: he dies more safely. her servies his own interest in dying, and Christ's interest in killing!"

So basically killing 'infidels' was a means of self cleansing.

Al-Queda and the ISIS etc are a small minority of over a billion people in the world but here we have the GLOBAL head of the Catholic Church and heads of the order saying kill the infidels and you will cleanse yourself??

Sounds EERILY similar to Al-Queda and ISIS, though its not the global head of the religion. It would be like the entire Arab League heads of Saudi, Egypt, UAE, Pakistan, Indonesia, Jordan, etc. all saying the above.


Now they didn't have airplanes 1000 years ago, so you got me there :grin:
but I really don't distinguish muslim atrocities today from those atrocities of the past. I do chalk up the potential dangers of allowing man to wield the influence of god over ignorant, poor, desolate people.

 

I don't think you get the point. The fact that the interpretations of any religious text is all subjective to the socio-economic malaise of the group as per the white rice example.

All these religions have pretty Hammerabi's Code type eye for an eye and kill the infidel, stoning people etc. whether its in muslim, jewish or christian theology and actions.

I'm not saying one is worse or better, obviously the pernicious influence of Islamic violence is horrific and unsettling, but they are all reflections of the same weaknesses and foundations of all the abrahamic religions that have stories of killing non-believers and stoning people etc. Then you have those with the pulpit that have leveraged the same basic tenets and sayings to incite violence whenever there is a pool of poor, needy desperate people: whether its the muslims now, the christians during the depressions in Europe a 1000 years ago or the Jewish settler attacks.

Its not about 100 dead versus 1000 etc. but about that these are all reflections of themselves and to attribute Islam as evil because the scale is greater in this current 50 year cycle we happen to anecdotaly live in is really either myopic or its an excuse for your own hatred.

You should logically hate all abrahamic faiths.