Does this trade reflect badly on the organization?

JW86 · Jul 12, 2019

It might actually depend on how CP3 takes this, but he's handled himself with class towards past organisations and teammates as far as I know. This time he might not be so forgiving though.

daywalker02 · Jul 12, 2019

JW86 said: ↑

It might actually depend on how CP3 takes this, but he's handled himself with class towards past organisations and teammates as far as I know. This time he might not be so forgiving though.
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It's either him or Harden and Harden has this team on his side.

hibbetts · Jul 12, 2019

An even better question is; how does this trade impact the thinking of the desirable FAs out there who are waiting to make their destination choices ?

htown7829 · Jul 12, 2019

He’ll end up on a contender. He’ll be fine

DaDakota · Jul 12, 2019

Reeko said: ↑

U can easily sell a CP0 for Russ trade to the fanbase.

He won the MVP just a few years ago, has averaged a triple double for 3 straight seasons, and is very close with Harden. CP0 was declining heavy, and the Rockets were getting further and further away from their goal of winning a championship.

many will buy the justification for this trade
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Desperation.

DD

Williamson · Jul 12, 2019

Who cares if they did Chris Paul dirty? They did the Rockets dirty.

BartBurton · Jul 12, 2019

Players demand changing teams, with or without a contract. What do they say? It is a business. Lebron quit on Cavs, PG on OKC, KL on TOR, list is long.

Well, let's make things even, Teams change players, It's a business. Players get traded all the time ( At least CP wasn't playing like Harrison Barnes when he knew of the trade)

Feelings don't matter here, players don't care about fan bases' feelings and teams don't care about players' feelings. End of story

ApacheWarrior · Jul 12, 2019

cheke64 said: ↑

Thank you for telling fans that.
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Thank you for your patience we me.

Sometimes I mistake kindness for sarcasm.

durvasa · Jul 12, 2019

BeardNation13 said: ↑

Honest question - Rockets got CP3 as a star to pair with Harden for not just 2 years. This summer after rumors of CP3 - Harden bust up and Cp3 requesting a trade, Morey and CP3 denied it saying that was NEVER true and Cp3 is not for trade

And then now he is traded?

How will this sit with future free agents or other star players?
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The Rockets made good on their promise to Chris Paul and gave him a max extension even though he was coming off an injury and appeared to be perennially injury prone.

Paul got the contract he wanted. Can’t have everything.

BeardNation13 · Jul 13, 2019

Here we have it.

basketballholic said: ↑

1. Harden recruited Paul. For a whole year Harden recruited Paul. All throughout the 16-17 season. Harden called him. Talked to him during Rocket/Clipper games. Talked to him during All- Star break. Harden told Paul he wanted Paul here, he needed him. They talked about sharing the basketball. They talked about roles, how they were going to play. They talked about contracts. Harden told Paul we would max him out if he opted in and asked for a trade.

They also discussed playing with other players. Specifically Kevin Durant, Paul George, Lebron James, and others (Love). Lebron and Cp3 were and are close friends. Cp3 wanted to know that Harden would be agreeable if LBJ wanted to come. Harden told him YES. Harden wanted to recruit Durant and George. Cp3 was agreeable to that.

2. After talking back and forth many many times Cp3 decided to ask the Clippers to trade him to Houston by him opting in after the season before free agency in 2018.

CP3 did this because Harden ASKED him to do it. We were not going to be able to create space to give CP3 a max contract without giving away one of Capela or Ego or including one of those two guys in a SnT after the moratorium.

So James (after consulting with Morey and being notified that signing Paul outright to a max deal in July of 2018 would cost us Eric or Clint) asked Cp3 to go to the Clippers with the opt-in trade scenario.

The Clippers wanted to keep Cp3 and had already told him they were offering him a 5- year max deal. Ballmer loved him. But Harden repeated to Cp3 what Morey had told Harden. Cp3 would not lose a dime by opting in and being traded here rather than opting out and signing a 5- year max with the Clippers.

(On a side note: If Cp3 had signed a 5-year max deal in 2017 and stayed with the Clippers he would have made a little over $200 million over 5 years, his cap hit for 2019-20 would have been $43 million, and he would be on a roster with George and Kawhi...or possibly Lebron and George. All sorts of what ifs for Cp3.)

Cp3 opted in because he was committed to James and the Rockets and he took a $16 million haircut to do it. Over the same 5 seasons he's going to make $184 million. Yes, that can be justified with lower cost of living, no state income tax, etc. if he plays out the deal in Texas. That's not the point.

3. When Cp3 approached the Clippers about the idea of an opt in and trade he informed them he was leaving and going to Houston but he was selling to the Clippers an opt trade so the Clippers could trade him and receive some value back.

But, remember the real reason. He did it this way because James asked Cp3 to do it this way so we could keep both Eric and Clint. He did it because he wanted to win by playing alongside James Harden on a team that had the assets and salary cap position to add another major piece. He did this because it represented the best chance for Paul to win a championship.

Look at the risk he took. He played on an ending contract to get here. Yes he had assurances. But in light of the what happened afterward.... what does that mean? We DUMPED him!

What if he had suffered a terrible devastating Achilles injury (like Durant just suffered) during that 17-18 season.... that would have cost him at least a year?

Do you think for one minute that we would have flipped out a 4 year max deal to Cp3 like the Nets for KD????????

The answer......... in hindsight....... is a resounding Thunderous (pun intended) ...... NO! We would have used #TwoChoppers as a convenient excuse to get out of paying Cp3 after he made the sacrifice to get here. #TwoChoppers wouldn't do it would be the excuse. And Cp3 would have been screwed out of $100+ million right there. This elf have been the narrative after we'r had basically promised hin a max deal to get him to come here.

Fast forward to today.

Cp3 BUSTED HIS BUTT for this franchise. He played hurt. He played on one leg last year against the Warriors until it finally give out!!!!

Everything Cp3 does is about winning! Talking in the huddle??? Being bold??? Pointing out bad basketball play and giving the correct solution??? It's all about winning with Cp3.

Harden knew all that. He knew what Cp3 was all about. And Harden CHOSE Cp3 to recruit him to play together. Harden can plausibly deny recruiting Dwight. He can put that off on Morey. He CANNOT deny recruiting Paul. He knew Paul's age and physical limitations when he recruited him. He knew Paul's temperament. He knew exactly how it was going to be with Paul.

Harden made commitments. And Harden bailed on his commitments. Harden is MORE bullheaded and stubborn than Chris Paul is. And his character as a man of his word is now virtually non-existent.... especially when you compare his word to Cp3's word.

So does Cp3 feel betrayed by Harden and Morey??????

Betrayed is putting it mildly. There's another word for it. Starts with an F. That's really how Cp3 feels here.

Is that important? You tell me. Harden and this organization just screwed over the president of the players union, one of the major clients of Leon Rose, and the best friend of Lebron James, who incidentally is like the vice president of the players union. Oh Iggy??? He's up there too. Heavily involved. Do you think Iggy wants to come here now??????

Go look at the list of clients of Leon Rose and Rich Paul, Lebron's agent. How do you think those agencies feel about Harden, Morey, #TwoChoppers, and the Rockets organization??????

In case you can't figure it out..... the answer is NOT GOOD!!!!

We just made a ton of enemies in the world of basketball. This hurts Morey's ability to transact and it hurts our franchises ability to attract primo free agents for the next 10 years at least. Player agents have their way of evening up the score.

That's why this deal wreaks. We'll now have to pursue a championship through trader and we'll have to worry about acquiring players that lay down on us. This was a terrible deal in terms of PR.

And yes, Paul and many other powerful NBA people are pissed at Morey, #TwoChoppers, Harden, and the Rockets about it.
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Well written. End Thread

Le$$ · Jul 13, 2019

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/07/12/k...l-comments-james-harden-thunder-rockets-trade

Pretty much what Martin says,
This is James Harden team not chris team.

SF3isBack!! · Jul 13, 2019

BeardNation13 said: ↑

Honest question - Rockets got CP3 as a star to pair with Harden for not just 2 years. This summer after rumors of CP3 - Harden bust up and Cp3 requesting a trade, Morey and CP3 denied it saying that was NEVER true and Cp3 is not for trade

And then now he is traded?

How will this sit with future free agents or other star players?
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Most people (former teammates) dont like CP3. This was expected thats why the media didnt initially think Paul and Harden would work.

Roc Paint · Jul 13, 2019

The only thing that looks bad are people that start threads about how bad it could become

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