Does Rox Fans See Dekker and Anderson As Our Future Going Forward

photojoe · Feb 14, 2017

Why all the hate for Dekker? We drafted him with the 18th pick and are currently paying him 1.6 million dollars on his rookie contract. Taking players with the #18 pick you can't expect much. In the history of the NBA, some of the best players taken at #18 are Calvin Murphy, Joe Dumars and Mark Jackson, but obviously there are way more busts taken at 18 than Hall Of Famers like Murphy. Dekker has been a pleasant surprise this season and has shown, at worst, he is a productive bench player. That's pretty good for the #18 pick. Dekker is still young and can hopefully improve, but I don't think anyone is expecting him to be the next superstar or next player to carry our team.

basketballholic · Feb 14, 2017

StrawberryJamm said: ↑

Personally I think the long term and max potential defensive 4 for this team is James Harden.

Instead of backing off of this style of play imagine taking it farther and replacing Anderson with a Klay Thompson type.. you don't lose any shooting, you get faster, you have solid perimeter defenders all around, and you force teams into the inefficient postup 2 point game against our best player, who needs to be at his very best and be challenged for us to have any chance of winning a championship.

He is stronger than he is fast, we've seen he's better as a post defender than a perimeter defender, i guarantee you he's tired of being thought of as a defensive liability and would be motivated by the legit opportunity to average a triple double as the PG on offense and the PF on D.
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Bingo. If we're going to stretch the floor, then let's really go small and get 4 guys that can shoot and handle out there. Drop Harden down to the 3/4 defensively. He wouldn't have to guard 4's all time if he had a versatile 3/4 next to him where he could switch out with. Then you have the opponent in a really bad place trying to defend three smalls on the perimeter with Harden and the big running pnr.

This is precisely why I'm thinking you trade Anderson fit other smalls plus parts to send to some team asking with Capela/picks to get your premier defensive 5 that can chew up the glass and shut down the paint.

We need to get loaded up on wings and playmakers, and get one premier big to past in tandem with Nene and go to war.

hooroo · Feb 14, 2017

OP trolling the boards

ABS · Feb 14, 2017

Codman said: ↑

I think we're 3rd in the West.

Have many seats.
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The Great Codman I've been hearing about around here! Have many seats with me fella, to bump brain cells against brain cells. You, sir, is welcome in my company!

By the way, I was riding hard on your prediction to get our "Enforcer".....but it's always good to live another day and try again, eh?

#salute

--- ABS

Os Trigonum · Feb 14, 2017

ABS said: ↑

The Great Codman I've been hearing about around here! Have many seats with me fella, to bump brain cells against brain cells. You, sir, is welcome in my company!

By the way, I was riding hard on your prediction to get our "Enforcer".....but it's always good to live another day and try again, eh?

#salute

--- ABS
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ABS · Feb 14, 2017

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I think "Sturdy", is just a veiled racist insult. Notice all your examples are white guys. Dekker has shown excellent athleticism. He is relentless on the offensive boards, finishes strong at the rim, has been decent from three and off the dribble. He still needs to work on his lateral quickness on defense and from all signs, working on improving is no problem for Dekker. The comparisons to Parsons are accurate, but Parsons was headed to near all star level before injuries derailed his career. Dekker looks more "Sturdy" and will continue to improve.
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Whatever you're saying, man. The word "sturdy" to describe a certain type of player is a word that came out of Daryl Morey' mouth......not mine.

My position is AGAINST the sturdy types....given all the qualities players we lost because of that nonsense. And the players listed are whom Morey acquire to fulfill his FAILED vision of a sturdy squad.

Not to mention his knack to find 'em left-handed.

bilaal14 · Feb 14, 2017

Anderson sucks is and overpaid for his inconsistent one dimensional game. Also dekker is overly valued... we will be lucky if he ever reaches prime Chandler parsons level for the rockets befor injury.

The fact of the matter is this... we can't even beat the Spurs let alone the warriors in the playoffs.. we will most likely have a hard time winning a 1st round series as constructed...

ABS · Feb 14, 2017

bilaal14 said: ↑

Anderson sucks is and overpaid for his inconsistent one dimensional game. Also dekker is overly valued... we will be lucky if he ever reaches prime Chandler parsons level for the rockets befor injury.

The fact of the matter is this... we can't even beat the Spurs let alone the warriors in the playoffs.. we will most likely have a hard time winning a 1st round series as constructed...
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It's surreal fans like us can see eye-to-eye about Anderson/Dekker but many of the fans on Clutchfan think this has to do with color, man. Just bizzare how they can overlook these guys' one dimensional skillsets and think they're being attack for something outside of basketball.

But you know what? We can't blame the fans for this. That rest squarely on Morey' shoulders. He intentionally did this to the Rockets. He talks about it in the open, in plain language and crytic, subliminal clues, here and there.

I studied the guy. I like his business savvy but HATE his manner of assessing talent and what that looks like. He believes in "sturdy" types. And a specific demographic is built like that.

Like I said, he speaks it in plain language and get away with it. It's a reason the Celtics booted him out and wanted nothing to do with his outdated mindset. And you look at the Celtic' demogrpahic today, you know they couldn't run fast enough to cleanse the vision Morey tried to implement on the Celtic' roster.

But the Sucker brought that s*** down south to Texas and for a while, he shelved those outdated ideas out of respect to Carrol Dawson. But as soon as the Yao Ming/McGrady era was over, Morey was entrenched enough into Rockets Basketball to start unravelling our historic demographic in terms of players and the talents that make up Rockets Basketball.

And Morey almost got his vision up and running when he said Asik and Lin was the cornerstones of the Rockets going forward. And Parsons was already in tow as the starting S.F. for the Rockets.

It would have been an utter disaster if Morey didn't strike gold with the Harden trade. And when I learned of it and saw how he dropped 45 to 50 points twice in less than a week into the season, I was so relieved and estatic, man!

I was like,

"This is NOT Lin/Asik' team! Our Leader is HARDEN!!"

And I remember there were fans trying to support a Lin/Asik/Parsons dynasty (as if that crap would have turn to fruition) but the more Harden proved his game on the floor, the more Lin and Parsons looked unworthy to carry Harden' jock-straps. Haha.

But here we are. Morey is at it again! He got Anderson at the 4. He block off K.J. from having any steam to cement his spot behind Ariza. And literally have a red-carpet roll-out for Dekker to be groomed for Ariza' replacement.

And he's doing it very careful to blend in Fans' support, little by little.until he change the cultural-thinking in how we see talent and Rockets-identity basketball. Im afraid in the next 10 years we'll be looking like Stockton' Jazz or Bird' Celtics.

And be irrelevant for years to come, man. If only Harden can live to be 180 years old so he can at least play for a 100 years. Ha.

bilaal14 · Feb 14, 2017

ABS said: ↑

It's surreal fans like us can see eye-to-eye about Anderson/Dekker but many of the fans on Clutchfan think this has to do with color, man. Just bizzare how they can overlook these guys' one dimensional skillsets and think they're being attack for something outside of basketball.

But you know what? We can't blame the fans for this. That rest squarely on Morey' shoulders. He intentionally did this to the Rockets. He talks about it in the open, in plain language and crytic, subliminal clues, here and there.

I study the guy. I like his business savvy but HATE his manner of assessing talent and what that looks like. He believes in "sturdy" types. And a specific demographic is built like that.

Like I said, he speaks it in plain language and get away with it. It's reason the Celtics booted him out and wanted nothing to do with his outdated mindset. And you look at the Celtic'demogrpahic build, you know they couldn't run fast enough to cleanse the vision Morey tried to implement on the Celtic' roster.

But the sucker brought that s*** down south to Texas and for a while, he shelved those outdated ideas out of respect to Carrol Dawson. But as soon as the Yao Ming/McGrady era was over, Morey was entrenched enough into Rockets basketball to start unravelling our historic demographic in terms of players the talents that makes up Rockets Basketball history.

And Morey almost got his vision up and running when he said Asik and Lin was the cornerstones of the Rockets going fowlrward. And Parsons was already in tow as the starting S.F. for the Rockets.

It would have been an utter disaster if we More6 didn't strioe gold with the Harden trade. And when I learned of it and saw how he dropped 45 to 50 points in less than a week into the season, I was so relieved and estatic, man!

I was like,

"This is NOT Lin/Asik' team! Our Leader is HARDEN!!"

And I remember there was fans trying to support a Lin/Asik/Parsons dynasty (as if that crap would have turn to fruition) but the more Harden proved his game on the floor, the more Lin and Parsons looked unworthy to carry Harden' jock-straps. Haha.

But here we are. Morey is at it again! He got Anderson at the 4. He block off K.J. from having any seams to cement his spot behind Ariza. And literally have a red-carpet roll-out for Dekker to be groomed for Ariza' replacement.

And he's doing it very careful to blend in Fans' support, little by little.until.he change the cultural-thinking in how we see talent and assets. Im.afraid in the next 10 years we'll be look like Stockton' Jazz or Bird' Celtics.

And be irrelevant for years to come, man. If only Harden can live to be 180 years old so he can at least play for a 100 years. Ha.
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wow... insightful.... me personally.. im color blind... I dont see people or players for their color. I only judge by what i see... and in this instance on the basketball court. It is no surprise that Dekker and Anderson are overvalued both on the court and in trade discussions among most of the rockets fans..... I really do not know where this comes from as we have all seen their quality of up and down inconsistent play... THERE SHOULD BE absolutely no hesitation if we are getting valuable pieces that fit and we have to move Dekker... Anderson is another story.. I wish we could go back slash his salary... or I wish we can trade him. I think he his bloated contract coupled with this inconsistent one dimensional style of play will render him untradeable maybe after one more year, yes, even with the salary cap going up.... he is needs to earn his almost $300,000 a game and start to focus in and do what he is known to do... because having tons of single digit games....and also have 0 in the box score is unexcuseable for a OVER PRICED VET.... he has hurt us in the losses we have suffered....

What I do not agree with you on is..... KJ.... KJ sucks too.... plain and simple... yes we have seen limited amounts of this guy on the floor, but he has yet to become a shooter and still consistently, albeit its rare when he sees the floor, he plays spotty defense and makes stupid turnovers.. I like his contract and he is trade bait no doubt.

ABS · Feb 14, 2017

bilaal14 said: ↑

wow... insightful.... me personally.. im color blind... I dont see people or players for their color. I only judge by what i see... and in this instance on the basketball court. It is no surprise that Dekker and Anderson are overvalued both on the court and in trade discussions among most of the rockets fans..... I really do not know where this comes from as we have all seen their quality of up and down inconsistent play... THERE SHOULD BE absolutely no hesitation if we are getting valuable pieces that fit and we have to move Dekker... Anderson is another story.. I wish we could go back slash his salary... or I wish we can trade him. I think he his bloated contract coupled with this inconsistent one dimensional style of play will render him untradeable maybe after one more year, yes, even with the salary cap going up.... he is needs to earn his almost $300,000 a game and start to focus in and do what he is known to do... because having tons of single digit games....and also have 0 in the box score is unexcuseable for a OVER PRICED VET.... he has hurt us in the losses we have suffered....

What I do not agree with you on is..... KJ.... KJ sucks too.... plain and simple... yes we have seen limited amounts of this guy on the floor, but he has yet to become a shooter and still consistently, albeit its rare when he sees the floor, he plays spotty defense and makes stupid turnovers.. I like his contract and he is trade bait no doubt.
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Solid points but you do know Anderson 4 years are gauranteed? Yep. We will NEVER be able to trade that guy, man. He won't turn out as bad as Brewer but he will suck so many times when we really need to trade him but end up stuck because no GMs in their right mind is gonna give up their quality assets for a 20 million a season, one-dimensional , one-trick pony in Anderson.

And his contract will block alot of flexibility we'd need......like the Ibaka trade. I firmly believe we could have had the right pieces in place if we hadn't gone after Anderson with that ridiculous contract.

There was other guys to be had at a lot cheaper pirce. Even Troy Daniels was available, man! And he's shooting better than Anderson.

Montrezl would have been ideal at the 4 spot until a trade like this pop up and we'd have the pieces in place to give up and not hurt our overall competitiveness. But Morey locked up a big chunk of our cap with that one-dimensional loser and really restricted our flexibility to be fluid enough to move multiple smaller pieces and keep our core and overall competitiveness intact.

I reepect your point on K.J. But he was progressing early in the season. He would have been better by now.

Dekker is shooting 32% or 34% from 3s. That is hardly justification to yank K.J. as if he couldn't duplicate that production. He was....he was hitting around 30% when he was yanked. By now, he'd had more experience at it and be better off. But thats another story.

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bilaal14 · Feb 16, 2017

Brewer sucks- dont need to expand
Ariza sucks- old, 2nd most inconsistent player on our team
and RYAN ANDERSON SUCKS- one dimensional, super horrible contract, and inconsistent

I have been saying this consistently since almost the 2nd month into the season.....

We need to make a change... all this BS fluff from Harden and MDA about loving this team and having enough to win... give me a break. We will lose easily to the Spurs and GS warriors... and might even be first round outs depending on who we play. I do not care if we are playing on house money and have overachieved. It makes no sense to waste a MVP year from Harden. Like, Toronto we need to be all in now. Its about time.... But I guess the latest I will put that at is this summer.

Also, REDNATION, STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP overvaluing Capela and Dekker.... they are not great.... nor will ever be great.... they are easily moveable pieces just like our subpar draft picks.... Stop with the delusion. Are we even watching the same games?

getbloodyred · Feb 16, 2017

bilaal14 said: ↑

Brewer sucks- dont need to expand
Ariza sucks- old, 2nd most inconsistent player on our team
and RYAN ANDERSON SUCKS- one dimensional, super horrible contract, and inconsistent

I have been saying this consistently since almost the 2nd month into the season.....

We need to make a change... all this BS fluff from Harden and MDA about loving this team and having enough to win... give me a break. We will lose easily to the Spurs and GS warriors... and might even be first round outs depending on who we play. I do not care if we are playing on house money and have overachieved. It makes no sense to waste a MVP year from Harden. Like, Toronto we need to be all in now. Its about time.... But I guess the latest I will put that at is this summer.

Also, REDNATION, STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP overvaluing Capela and Dekker.... they are not great.... nor will ever be great.... they are easily moveable pieces just like our subpar draft picks.... Stop with the delusion. Are we even watching the same games?
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So how good do you think we are? Sounds like you think we aren't even a playoff team. If you think 3/5ths of our starting line up "sucks" along with Dekker, then i'm not sure how you value this team.

Daddy Long Legs · Jul 11, 2017

Half of our future is gone. Will the other half be here when the season starts?

don grahamleone · Jul 11, 2017

Mathrocker said: ↑

Half of our future is gone. Will the other half be here when the season starts?
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We're throwing away our future and for what? Chris friggin' Paul and Carmelo fartin' Anthony? What a waste...

We had the best 40 foot jump shooter in the league and the breakaway coulda dunked but faceballed instead king. What are we even thinking about right now? We're giving up 40.5, 10.9 and 12.1 for 20.1, 8.3 and 1.9? That's idiotic.

Edit: My mom called and said I had those numbers reversed, but I still think it's stupid to give up your future. You don't give up guys that are going to make the hall of fame for chuckers.

Edit again: My PE coach from middle school called. He says I have that backwards. He said this Carmelo guy and Paul are very likely to make the hall of fame and that Dekker/Anderson have no chance. I still this it's stupid though. Dekker and Anderson are really nice people who volunteered so many hours to the city of houston.

Edit yet again: My ex girlfriend called and told me about the inner city programs that Chris Paul is involved in. I'm just not good at this.

Daddy Long Legs · Jul 11, 2017

don grahamleone said: ↑

We're throwing away our future and for what? Chris friggin' Paul and Carmelo fartin' Anthony? What a waste...

We had the best 40 foot jump shooter in the league and the breakaway coulda dunked but faceballed instead king. What are we even thinking about right now? We're giving up 40.5, 10.9 and 12.1 for 20.1, 8.3 and 1.9? That's idiotic.

Edit: My mom called and said I had those numbers reversed, but I still think it's stupid to give up your future. You don't give up guys that are going to make the hall of fame for chuckers.

Edit again: My PE coach from middle school called. He says I have that backwards. He said this Carmelo guy and Paul are very likely to make the hall of fame and that Dekker/Anderson have no chance. I still this it's stupid though. Dekker and Anderson are really nice people who volunteered so many hours to the city of houston.

Edit yet again: My ex girlfriend called and told me about the inner city programs that Chris Paul is involved in. I'm just not good at this.
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Edit: my mom called. Cp3 seems like a very nice young man but harden has an offputting "taliban beard"

don grahamleone · Jul 11, 2017

Mathrocker said: ↑

Edit: my mom called. Cp3 seems like a very nice young man but harden has an offputting "taliban beard"
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Edit: Mom looked up pictures of the beard pre-beard.. she's cool with it. Oddly enough she's into the taliban more than ever now. I tried to explain but she ain't got time for that.

bigred77 · Jul 11, 2017

OMG... Is Potato Head really ABS?!?!?!?

daywalker02 · Jul 11, 2017

Thanks....we know the answer to that.

don grahamleone · Jul 11, 2017

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