Does Harden have the potential to be better than T-Mac in his prime?

With all respect, you have no idea what the Hall of Fame is or how candidates are selected.

1. It's not an NBA Hall of Fame, it is a general, international basketball Hall of Fame, and so men and women who receive HOF honors have distinguished themselves at the collegiate, professional, or international levels.

2. The fact that James Harden played in an Olympic Games and Tracy McGrady did not* already means that James Harden is on a higher trajectory and will be a better lock for the HOF than McGrady, by the end of Harden's career.

3. I'm not kidding.




* McGrady was invited to attend the 2004 Games but did not because he's an ass.

 

Just so long as that's the only criteria you judge them on. I've made my stance clear on McGrady for an awfully long time, but it's short-sighted to only judge players based on McGrady's 1st round curse.

I'm fully on board with the Harden era....but it seems like a boatload of folks are celebrating him for things he hasn't accomplished yet.

It's the place where Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman meet before they go stop the latest Legion of Doom scheme.

 

Don't forget Apache Chief and Black Vulcan, racist.

 

That was a joke, in case people don't understand sarcasm.

Here, I'll post some emoticons to help:

:grin: :grin:

 

Tmac is better at almost everything on both ends of the floor. But you know what, Harden already has a bigger heart.

 

I did remember someone mentioning that a few Weeks back lol. tmac would look for his jump shot more than often. When he did take it too the rack, it provided us fans with some flash which we tend to remeber. Harden OTOH looks to take in strong as often as he is looking for the wide open J. plus, he takes it in so effortlessly like its nobodys business. What makes him special is he also has the ability to make a shot with a defender on him but that seems to be his last option if the offense went stagnant. Hence, harden's game is very efficient and he can still contribute on off nights.

 

many posters here don't seem to know tmac's game in his prime. for one or two seasons tmac is the best player in the league. even in this Houston years, he scored 13 points in 35 seconds.

don't let the current tmac blind you

 

i was a huge fan of orlando tracy, if that guy would have played with shaq this would be a totally different conversation. lets not forget those teams didn't have a lot of talent on them.

that being said, no disrespect to lin, harden isn't playing with a lot of talent right now either.

 

He was a one man army that was able to take his team to the playoffs. People point to his lack of success in the playoffs but guys that are considered superstars these days can't even lead their teams to the playoffs.

He should've won the MVP in 2002-2003. Duncan might've had more success but he also had a lot more help. T-Mac's numbers were insane that year.

 

A 35%(!) usage chucker on a bad team was better than Tim Duncan at his best?

Freal?

This is some hilarity right here.

I suppose McGrady was also better than Iverson and Bryant in their primes as well? Because they were real forces in the early 2000's as well as Duncan.

What about Michael Jordan? Was Tracy McGrady better than Michael Jordan, or is that where the cutoff is, munco? Was he *just shy* of being as great as MJ?

 

What was Orlando's record with prime tmac? Like harden, he played with not much help. Orlando tmac was hitting some crazy impossible long shots all over. It's good when it's falling but when the shots weren't there, clearly you can see tmac's game suffer. Take away his mobility because of injuries and you have a short lived career in his prime.

 

In this thread, we learn that "scores the most points" now means "best."

 

The only things McGrady had significant advantage over Harden was athletic ability and dribbling.

Harden is the far superior scorer in terms of efficiency and shooting.

 

Chucker? T-Mac was at .564%TS, the exact same as Tim Duncan.

 

In the FT department:

Harden's FT% is 84% career so far - TMacs is around 75% career.

 

Human beings tend to remember highlights and flash or the wow factor. According to some with that logic, shawn Kemp would be more talented than mr fundamental himself.

 

If Harden's health holds out like Kobe's, he will have a much better career than T-Mac. If he follows T-Mac in that department, it will be a sad thing.

 

Do you seriously think this represents a compelling argument?

Tracy McGrady was at no point in his career ever a better player than Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, or even a jacked up Allen Iverson. Not even during his single most ball-hoggingest year could he touch those guys.

Let me ask you this:

Don't you think history has pretty much vindicated Tim Duncan's repeat MVP selections, knowing what we now know?

This is what I don't get. We now know that Tim Duncan is one of the greatest players of all time, certainly one of the greatest big men of all time, won multiple championships, is a first ballot Hall of Famer the moment he retires, and is just light years ahead of McGrady in terms of accomplishments and esteem around the league.

And of course we now know with the benefit of hindsight that McGrady was indeed a r****ded volume scorer who ultimately offered little in the way of making his teams better. He certainly never chaired any deep playoff runs, and had a highly questionable work ethic and attitude during his career as well.

But no, you really think the sportswriters who vote on the award played that one wrong in 2003?

Freaking seriously?

 

No, those are called bandwagon fans.

Fact of the matter is TMac's game was an inefficient volume shooter. Harden is the complete opposite.

 

You said T-Mac was a chucker in 02/03. He was as efficient with his shots as Tim Duncan, the guy you say is the rightful Most Valuable Player of that same year. Yes, that seems to be a compelling argument.