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Do you trust Ken Giles?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by what, May 16, 2017.

  1. mkahanek

    mkahanek Member
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    Giles may throw hard but his fastball is just flat. No one swings through it. Wags always blew it past people. I am by no means a pitching expert. But seems to me if your throw 100 you have an arm. Is it just a matter of a coach showing you how to use it?
     
  2. Nick

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    Wags did not always blow it past people.... and Giles is only as good as his slider.

    Lastly, MLB hitters can hit all sorts of 100+ mph fastballs... just look at what the Astros did with Chapman. Its off-speed deception mixed with perfect location that gets batters out.

    Personally, I'd take 92-95 on the corners over 100+ that can't be controlled.
     
  3. mkahanek

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    Eh maybe I got spoiled many years ago when I would see Mike Scott and Nolan Ryan's four seam go above the bat. Of course with Nolan's circle and Scott's Split finger I guess that made it a bit easier to get the heat past a hitter.
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    Coach can show a pitcher how to throw a pitch well, but some pitchers can get better spin than others on particular pitches.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    It can also be a mental thing, ala Wagner and his slider.
     
  6. xcrunner51

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    No. Some people just have fastballs that play down. If it were magically fixable then people throwing 100mph would be unhittable but people hit home runs off 100+ mph heat not infrequently these days.

    Among recent and former Astros: Mike Foltynewicz had a pretty flat FB that got lit up when he was a rookie. Jandel Gustave threw straight 100mph bullets before his TJ surgery.

    Spin rate, natural sink or cutting motion, arm slot, and release point all make a significant difference in a) whether the hitter picks up on it being a FB and b) whether it gets well struck.
     
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