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DMO's agent "Rockets not doing enough to re sign him"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by motleydeflep6, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. snowconeman22

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    Maybe the deadline is midnight on Monday ?? How come we haven't heard anything official about this yet ?

    Oh and Dmo's agent sucks . Even if your client has a broken back take the 4.4 million dollars and invest that ****
     
  2. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    So is DMo an unrestricted FA now?
     
  3. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    So is DMo an unrestricted FA now?
     
  4. batkins

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    From my understanding, if the QO has officially expired he's still a restricted FA but the $4.4 million offer is off the table.
     
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  5. opticon

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    No he is restricted with out a qualifying offer. Rockets have the right to match any contract.
     
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  6. heypartner

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    No.

    And even if he holds out the whole season as RFA or plays in another FIBA league, he still doesn't become a UFA. Rockets can give him another QO to make him RFA for the next time he enters free agency
     
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  7. danoman

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    Man Dmo is phucked. But honestly we've been dealing with his back issues for almost 2 seasons now, I understand why the Rockets are doing this.
     
  8. ThatBoyNick

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    Weird stuff.
     
  9. craguin

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    I put this in post #425 of this thread. It is Larry Coon's comments regarding Tristan Thompson's RFA expiration. It also applies here in DMo's situation:

    CBA FAQ #44:
    "He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer."

    Larry Coon
    To answer your last question first, a qualifying offer CAN be extended, but there’s not much in it for the team to do so.

    When a qualifying offer expires, nothing changes except that the player loses one specific option — he no longer has a one-year offer on the table which he can accept. He’s still restricted, and he can still continue to negotiate with his previous team or any other team. If he wants to sign elsewhere, that team has to sign him to an offer sheet (which must be for at least two seasons, or three of the player’s old team gave him a maximum qualifying offer), which the player’s prior team can match.

    [...] If he doesn’t sign with anyone, then of course he doesn’t play. But if he ends up not signing anywhere and misses the entire season, he will still be subject to restricted free agency next season. If he wants to be an unrestricted free agent next summer, his only option is to sign a one-year deal [...] — either by accepting his qualifying offer before it expires, or by working out a different one-year deal with the team.


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    CBA FAQ #100:
    "There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

    • When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. [...]
    • For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet."
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    Motiejunas can still work out a multiyear deal with the Rockets. Read Bima's tweets from yesterday:



     
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  10. Mathloom

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    Nice, thank you!
     
  11. rolyat93

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    Dmos agent is garbage lol, he's got no leverage.
     
  12. Mathloom

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    So it kind of looks like it will be 2 years, $10 million, partial guarantee on 2nd year (maybe a $1.5m buyout?), and trade kicker. Both sides would probably be annoyed by that deal, which makes me think it would be a good deal.
     
  13. snowconeman22

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    Great post crag and bima for the Twitter knowledge. We know this , Morey knows this , does dmo's agent know it ??

    I don't understand the play here lol . Why not just sign the QO ?
     
  14. Easy

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    I don't think that's what we were debating here. There are people who say that he's just not a very good player, back injury or not. Like I said in my post, I don't dispute the health risk. I just dispute the dismissal of his skills. You said that because he's not a good rebounder, so he's pretty much useless as a big man. That's not an argument about his back, That's a dismissal of him as a useful player because of his rebounding.
     
  15. craguin

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    From post #266 in 'How much will DMo sign for?' thread:

    Could it be a 2-year deal (partially or non-guaranteed 2nd year) with a 1st year salary around $8.433M ?

    CBA FAQ appendix:
    Non-taxpaying teams can receive in trade 150% plus $100,000 (when trading $0 to $9.8 million), 100% plus $5 million (when trading $9.8 million to $19.6 million), and 125% plus $100,000 (when trading more than $19.6 million).

    8,433,000 + 7,612,172 [Corey Brewer's salary] = 16,045,172
    16,045,172 x 1.25 = 20,056,465
    20,056,465 + 100,000 = $20,156,465

    Blake Griffin [2016-17 salary: $20,140,838], Paul Millsap [2016-17 salary: $20,072,033]
     
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  16. chenjy9

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    D-Mo has his skill set, but there is no denying that rebounding is HUGELY important for PF/C. There is also no denying that D-Mo sucks at it. That said, what he brings to the table as far as being a good positional defender and his post up and shooting can outweigh that as long as we pair him up with a strong rebounder whenever he is on the floor.
     
  17. heypartner

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    Are you suggesting a SnT? Keep in mind, using DMo in a SnT will have the same salary matching difficulties as with what used to be called "Base-Year Compensation" players. In trade, Rockets will only be able to take back 50% of his new salary, but the receiving team must move out his full salary. What this means is the receiving team must either have a large trade exception, salary cap room or find a 3rd team to absorb the salary matching differences.
     
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    WTF is this supposed to mean BJ? Talk about butt hurt and taking a dig at a low hanging fruit put down.

    Analytics or STATS track basketball behaviors of the individual player. Donatas Motiejunas is getting paid (or would be getting paid) to play the sport of basketball.... he's not getting paid to be the Rockets team life coach.

    I would have to think that this whole negotiation or lack thereof should completely can BJ's career as a high profile agent. He's showing to be a complete amateur at this game. Allowing it to get personal is only going to hurt your client.

    The job of an agent is first and foremost to research the market and find comps for your player, and find buyers with a need for your player... that's it. BJ HAD comps back in July but he does not have a market to now support those comps. Basic supply and demand economics that create leverage in a negotiation. Its your job as the agent to convey that message to your client so they understand and have expectations for what they are worth.

    BJ has failed on so many levels here. Yes... D-Mo's back injury history really put him at a disadvantage, but it still is on him for having a delusional perception of the market and overvaluing his player to the point where he didn't get serious consideration back in July and August.

    Amateur hour folks.
     
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  19. emcitymisfit

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    Is Ryno subject to this rule?
     
  20. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    No. It only affects SnTs players.

    [link] 89. What is "Base Year Compensation?" How does it affect trades?

    In short, and @BimaThug pointed this out when basketballholic was suggesting a huge SnT, any SnT with DMo will have added obstacles... the type that usually only teams with Cap Room or very large Trade Exceptions can maneuver around ... or find a 3rd Team to help.
     

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