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tonybrooksadj · Feb 25, 2011

Was there a thread posted with our grade from Espn on our trades?

Also whats with the doom and gloom from everyone on the board? Before the deadline it was all we need a Star or a Big Man, well we couldn't get a star so we got a project big man. Once any of you fools have worked 20 hr days relentlessly trying to get some thing done at a trade deadline, then come and tell me about how good of a job DM is doing..

Captain Hook · Feb 25, 2011

Some people want Morey to put a gun to a General Manager's and say give us a big man or a star now! Its not that easy to get a star or a Big Man like everyone thinks!

jim1961 · Feb 25, 2011

tonybrooksadj said:

Was there a thread posted with our grade from Espn on our trades?

Also whats with the doom and gloom from everyone on the board? Before the deadline it was all we need a Star or a Big Man, well we couldn't get a star so we got a project big man. Once any of you fools have worked 20 hr days relentlessly trying to get some thing done at a trade deadline, then come and tell me about how good of a job DM is doing..
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B- on Thabeet trade.
A- on AB trade.

Forgot where I saw it here though.

LonghornFan · Feb 25, 2011

Posted by wallyj12 in the Brooks thread.

ESPN Insiders Grades from John Hollinger:

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Houston Rockets: A-

After a very promising 2009-10 campaign, Dragic has regressed mightily. He is using a ton of possessions and using them very badly, making 27.7 percent of his 3s and shooting an abysmal 60.8 percent at the free throw line. Amazingly, he has still been better than Brooks, and I think we can safely say he'll bring a sunnier attitude as well.

Somehow, the Rockets also wrangled a mid-to-late first-round pick -- which is Phoenix's if it makes the playoffs, and Orlando's otherwise -- out of this. While the change of scenery can only help both Dragic and Brooks, Dragic, 24, is younger by two years, makes less money, and I would argue has the greater upside. It wasn't the home run Rockets GM Daryl Morey was seeking, but it was a solid shot down the line.

As an added bonus, today's trades also position Houston to get under the luxury tax if it can work a favorable buyout with Jared Jeffries or if some of its players miss the incentives in their contracts. More likely, the Rockets will end up slightly over, but they at least cut their exposure with the trades.

Phoenix Suns: C-

Brooks may be the succession strategy if the Suns trade Steve Nash this summer. But if Phoenix sees him as its point guard of the future, the future just got worse. While an early-season injury may be party to blame, Brooks' numbers this season have been even worse than Dragic's, to the point that it looks like Brooks' most improved player campaign in 2009-10 may have been a fluke season.

He's not a 34.6 percent shooter, which is his mark so far this season, but even when he's playing well he's a major defensive liability. Brooks would also be in the top 10 if I ever made a list of "guys I'd hate playing with" -- he pounds the ball for 20 seconds every trip.

As a tempo-changing scorer off the bench, Brooks has value, and if the Suns just use him that way he'll be fine. But I wouldn't have surrendered a first-round pick to get him, especially when Dragic can do the same thing more cheaply; Dragic is owed just $2.1 million next year, while Brooks is a restricted free agent who is hoping to cash in.

Battier returns to Grizzlies

Houston trades Shane Battier and Ish Smith to Memphis for Hasheem Thabeet, DeMarre Carroll and a first-round pick.

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Memphis Grizzlies: B-

Battier's return to Memphis will be the headline in West Tennessee, as he was beloved in his first tour of duty there. Nonetheless, this trade was mainly about Thabeet, and the fact that he's been such a colossal bust as the second overall pick in 2009 that the Grizzlies effectively had to pay Houston to take him. Memphis included a future first-round pick in the deal, as well as another 2009 first-round bust in Carroll.

Battier helps Memphis cope with the absence of Rudy Gay (shoulder) for about three more weeks and the lack of bigger wings (Tony Allen, Sam Young and O.J. Mayo all are on the short side), plus he can slide up to the 4 when Memphis plays small. With the Griz pushing for a playoff berth, Battier will be quite helpful, and he may also help mentor rookie Xavier Henry -- a guy everyone in Memphis compares to Battier. As for Smith, he's a tiny speedster who will stake a claim for the Grizzlies' rotating backup point guard spot.

By the way, reports indicate that the Grizzlies had a deal to send O.J. Mayo to Indiana for Josh McRoberts and a first-round pick and they missed the trade deadline. While all those elements may be true, it can't be the whole story, as the deal as presented isn't legal under salary-cap rules. One suspects Indiana needed Memphis (or another team) to take on another contract and the two sides couldn't agree on the player.

Houston Rockets: B-

It's the end of an era in Houston and a roll of the dice on Thabeet, but Houston had enough wing depth to withstand the departure of Battier, who wasn't in the Rockets' plans beyond this season. Additionally, Houston gets a future first-round pick for its troubles (although it will be available in 2013 at the earliest), while also absorbing the little-used Carroll.

The Rockets absorb a $5 million contract for next year in Thabeet, but saved much of that in salary and luxury tax this season. Plus, as awful as Thabeet has been this season, he has shown some promise as a central defender in zones and I imagine the Rockets want to use him in much the same way they used Dikembe Mutombo.

But the main risk here isn't the money they're paying Thabeet ... it's that they'll carve out minutes for him and he'll still be terrible. The Rockets managed to avoid doing this with Terrence Williams (although he may get more of a role now that Battier is gone), and will also have to carefully tiptoe the development-versus-winning line with Thabeet.
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BDswangHTX · Feb 25, 2011

The "doom" and "gloom" stems from consensus that our newly acquired big man might be the biggest bust his draft. Concerning Brooks and Dragic, some (such as myself), believe that was a lateral move at best. *shrug*

tonybrooksadj · Feb 25, 2011

I agree that he may be a bust but he is 7'3" and if there is any city to coach him up that would be Houston. The Brooks trade was a lateral move but we got a pick out of the deal and we probably wouldnt have either of those guys on the roster next season anyway.

crash5179 · Feb 25, 2011

BDswangHTX said:

The "doom" and "gloom" stems from consensus that our newly acquired big man might be the biggest bust his draft. Concerning Brooks and Dragic, some (such as myself), believe that was a lateral move at best. *shrug*
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I would agree with the lateral move statement if it was just Dragic for AB but throw in a first coupled with Dragic being 2 years younger, playing better, lower salary and not up for a raise and I don't see this as anything close to lateral. I'm shocked Phoenix did not ask for a pick from us.

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